Thread: Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 30 Dec, 2024 04:06 PM
Who has an INSTANTANEOUS BIBLICAL miracle they want to tell about ?
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 10 Feb, 2025 12:34 PM
You’re exactly right HM, because that’s EXACTLY what happened after Jesus healed just one person.
When Jesus healed just one person word spread so fast that multitudes of people sought him out and brought their sick and crippled to him. Jesus was thronged by crowds‼️‼️
Compare that to fake healers today (so-called “faith healers”). Only the gullible and the highly suggestible seek them out. Sadly, lots of gullible people confuse placebo healing or progressive natural healings with miracles. But for those people with severe maladies, the healing promise ends with disappointment.
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 11 Feb, 2025 10:28 AM
If fake healers were really healing people then their business model would actually be to hold back on healing and only use the "gift of healing" for when they wanted to generate income to line their pockets with.
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 12 Feb, 2025 04:51 PM
You got that right. Promising healing but delivering none is a big business for fake healers
If you’re not healed it’s always your fault because you didn’t have enough “faith”.
Fake healer Kenneth Copeland claims he has enough faith to heal everybody but he can’t do it if you don’t have faith‼️‼️‼️ WHAT A CROCK‼️‼️‼️
Jesus healed a lot of people who didn’t have faith.
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 13 Feb, 2025 06:22 PM
Look up John G. Lake, Alexander Dowie, Oral Roberts, A. A. Allen, T. L. Osborn, Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman, William Branham, Maria Woodworth-Etter... These were famous healing evangelists.
As you know, people are not infallible creatures. Everybody makes mistakes and has shortcomings. The other thing is that healing is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does not give everyone the same kind of gifts. Also, the sometimes a person gets a gift such as healing or prophecy or deliverance, and it is a one-time thing. kind of like lightning. Lightning usually strikes random things all around the world, and there isn't one object or thing that gets struck repeatedly all the time. So, one could say, "I doubt that lightnings exist, because I have never seen one up close." I have only heard the boom and the flashes but never seen one right in front of me, therefore lightnings do not exist. That is the same kind of absurdity when someone denies that God performs miracles today!
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 13 Feb, 2025 06:39 PM
Silver says: “Look up John G. Lake, Alexander Dowie, Oral Roberts, A. A. Allen, T. L. Osborn, Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman, William Branham, Maria Woodworth-Etter... These were famous healing evangelists.”
LD responds: yes, I’m familiar with most of those names. None of them have been used of God to perform a biblical miracle.
Silver says: “As you know, people are not infallible creatures. Everybody makes mistakes and has shortcomings. The other thing is that healing is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does not give everyone the same kind of gifts. Also, the sometimes a person gets a gift such as healing or prophecy or deliverance, and it is a one-time thing. kind of like lightning. Lightning usually strikes random things all around the world, and there isn't one object or thing that gets struck repeatedly all the time. So, one could say, "I doubt that lightnings exist, because I have never seen one up close." I have only heard the boom and the flashes but never seen one right in front of me, therefore lightnings do not exist. That is the same kind of absurdity when someone denies that God performs miracles today!”
LD responds: the existence of lighting is easy to defend and so are false healers.
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 13 Feb, 2025 06:42 PM
Silver, l want to reassert my original question. Can you provide the name of a quadriplegic who was completely healed instantaneously ?
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 13 Feb, 2025 08:42 PM
If I can't, does that prove to you that healing doesn't happen anymore? What kind of logic is that? You're asking the wrong person. God has eyes everywhere; I don't. Ask him. He never said that miracles are a thing of the past.
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 14 Feb, 2025 08:08 AM
Healings happen everyday. That’s not what I’m disputing.
I’m disputing the false claims of false teachers who promise miraculous healings for money and the false teachers who claim the miracles that Jesus performed are still taking place today. I’m also disputing false teachers when they misinterpret passages of the Bible like Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever” to support of their false theories. If that false interpretation were true, Jesus would still be walking the earth healing multitudes of people or he would still hanging on a cross.
All I’m asking is this: Jesus performed MANY miraculous healings, so much so that theologians believe he banished sickness from Israel, that is, before he was rejected by Israel and crucified. So where in Israel or anywhere is this taking place??
You’re asking about logic, very well, but what kind of logic insists on disproven fallacies of false belief?
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 14 Feb, 2025 06:52 PM
Like I said, you are not logical AT ALL. You say you believe in miracles just not when a preacher says it happened and it was done for money. So, if I say that a miracle happened, then you would believe me, but if I happened to be a preacher, then you wouldn't just because I happen to be standing on a pulpit? Why does that make any difference? Or because money is involved? Do you remember when Naaman went to Elisha to get healed from leprosy and he did pay for it two talents of silver and two garments? Did that cancel out his miracle? No. He was still healed. Now, Mt 7:22-23 says that there will be people who will do signs and miracles, but on the day of judgment Jesus will tell them, "I never knew you." That doesn't mean that their miracles were false claims. They really did happen. And the Holy Spirit really did perform miracles through those people. The miracle came from God, because James 1:17 says that all good gifts come from God, but the "man of God" or the "middleman" who was standing on the pulpit was not really saved. Just like Balaam ended up pronouncing a supernatural blessing on Israel even though he was a wizard. He was used by God, but he wasn't a righteous man who should be followed or admired. We need to be able to think separately about the miracle and the middleman. They are two different things. The guy who stands on the pulpit in front of the cameras and holds the microphone is not the source of the miracle or the performer of miracles. He might be just an imperfect sinful man who is NOT EVEN SAVED, who doesn't even obey God, who speaks lies! The miracle itself, though, might be from the Holy Spirit. (I say "might be from the Holy Spirit," because the devil can perform supernatural signs also, but we're not going there right now.)
So, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't claim those miracles are fake just because you don't like the vessel God is using. The miracles might be the work of the Holy Spirit. And this is where things get dangerous, because if someone calls the work of the Holy Spirit the work of satan, then that's precisely what the Pharisees were doing when they said that Jesus is performing miracles by the Beelzebub. And then in response, Jesus told them that "By the way, what you just did was the unpardonable sin. Anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." So, this is why it is better to leave miracles alone and not try to say by what power or how those miracles came about. I don't think that saying "miracles are fake" is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It's just getting close. I have heard some people claim that speaking in tongues and miracles are of the devil, and that I believe might be just what Jesus talked about here. He'll be the final judge, but if you want to hear my opinion, I think, those people are done. So, that's why this is dangerous territory.
Let’s try this again. I kinda got buried. Question for ladies: if a woman (or anyone) claims that Jesus is STILL performing miracles, shouldn’t that woman have at least ONE miracle to tell about⁉️⁉️
Posted : 20 Feb, 2025 02:41 PM
This is the kinda mess that happens when I go away for a few days.
SILVER SAYS: Like I said, you are not logical AT ALL.
LD REPLY: You talk much about “logic”. Are you acquainted the laws of logic? How about the law of excluded middle and double negation elimination, which are fundamental inference rules in classical logic?
SILVER SAYS: You say you believe in miracles just not when a preacher says it happened and it was done for money.
LD REPLY: please prove your accusation, I did not say and would not say something as ridicules. In fact, I know many good preachers who believe in miracles.
SILVER SAYS: So, if I say that a miracle happened, then you would believe me, but if I happened to be a preacher, then you wouldn't just because I happen to be standing on a pulpit?
LD REPLY: Silver, a pulpit wouldn’t make you anymore believable. Pulpit or no pulpit, if you can’t prove what you claim so you’re no better off than an atheist or evolutionist who can’t prove evolution. Silver, you have no credibility because you, like evolutionists, have no proof on which to base your claims for modern miracles.
SILVER SAYS: Why does that make any difference?
LD REPLY: There’s no difference. You simply misunderstand.
SILVER SAYS:
Or because money is involved? Do you remember when Naaman went to Elisha to get healed from leprosy and he did pay for it two talents of silver and two garments? Did that cancel out his miracle? No. He was still healed.
LD: Your example is completely irrelevant and also shows a lack of biblical comprehension. First, Elisha, the man of God, who healed Naaman by the power of God, did not ask for a gift and refused it when a gift was offered. It was Gehazi, Elisha’s servant, who made up a false story tricking Naaman into handing over gifts to GEHAZI, not Elisha. But when Gehazi returned, with the gifts he had received by deception, he paid a heavy price for his lies!!
SILVER SAYS: Now, Mt 7:22-23 says that there will be people who will do signs and miracles, but on the day of judgment Jesus will tell them, "I never knew you."
LD REPLIES: You misread the Matthew 7 text. The text says “…many will SAY…”. I’m surprised you didn’t appeal to Judas who actually worked miracles along side the other true disciples. Again, you misunderstood my point.
SILVER SAYS: That doesn't mean that their miracles were false claims. They really did happen. And the Holy Spirit really did perform miracles through those people.
LD REPLIES: You ASSUME they all performed real miracles. Like I said, the text, in the context you cited, says they will “SAY”. Merely saying is not the same as actually doing.
SILVER SAYS: The miracle came from God, because James 1:17 says that all good gifts come from God, but the "man of God" or the "middleman" who was standing on the pulpit was not really saved.
LD REPLIES: James is right but you’re wrong which is becoming a habit for you. Indeed all GOOD gifts come from God. But you’re wrong if you think imitation or false miracles are good gifts and come from the Holy Spirit
SILVER SAYS: Just like Balaam ended up pronouncing a supernatural blessing on Israel even though he was a wizard. He was used by God, but he wasn't a righteous man who should be followed or admired.
LD REPLIES: Once again you do not understand the biblical narrative. If you’re trying to appeal to Balaam in support of modern false teachers you’re mistaken. First, God COMMANDED Balaam to say ONLY what God told him to say‼️‼️Balaam did not speak things off the cuff like the false prophets you recommended above. Incidentally, you’re making a false comparison which is a logical error. You should know have known about this particular logic error if you had known anything about logic.
SILVER SAYS: We need to be able to think separately about the miracle and the middleman. They are two different things. The guy who stands on the pulpit in front of the cameras and holds the microphone is not the source of the miracle or the performer of miracles. He might be just an imperfect sinful man who is NOT EVEN SAVED, who doesn't even obey God, who speaks lies! The miracle itself, though, might be from the Holy Spirit. (I say "might be from the Holy Spirit," because the devil can perform supernatural signs also, but we're not going there right now.)
LD REPLIES: Once again you’re mistaken. Satan cannot perform miracles like those perfectly performed by the Holy Spirit. You probably missed the scripture that says Satan can do only “lying” signs and wonders to deceive. It doesn’t take real miracles to deceive willingly gullible people. SILVER SAYS: So, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't claim those miracles are fake just because you don't like the vessel God is using.
LD REPLIES: Your getting good at issuing false accusations and making false assumptions. Where did I say I don’t believe in miracles because I don’t like the vessel⁉️⁉️
SILVER SAYS: The miracles might be the work of the Holy Spirit.
LD REPLIES: “Might be”⁉️ “Miracles”⁉️You don’t come across as very confident.
SILVER SAYS: And this is where things get dangerous, because if someone calls the work of the Holy Spirit the work of satan, then that's precisely what the Pharisees were doing when they said that Jesus is performing miracles by the Beelzebub. And then in response, Jesus told the ok m that "By the way, what you just did was the unpardonable sin.
LD REPLIES: If you believe that false interpretation then you’ve bought into another charismatic scare tactic. To sum it up, you’ve been properly propagandized. Alternatively, the biblical truth is this: if you blasphem the REAL miracles performed by the Holy Spirit performed through Jesus THEN you’re in danger of committing the unpardonable sin. No one is in danger of committing the unpardonable sin simply by exposing false teachers and their false miracles.
SILVER SAYS: Anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
LD REPLIES: Another charismatic scare tactic. You need to leave that poisonous koolaid alone‼️😇
SLIVER SAYS: So, this is why it is better to leave miracles alone and not try to say by what power or how those miracles came about.
LD REPLIES: So what do you do with the scripture that says “to test the spirits to see if they are of God”⁉️ Perhaps you’ve never read that verse yet. Hopefully when you do read it, you’ll obey it‼️
SILVER SAYS: I don't think that saying "miracles are fake" is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It's just getting close.
LD REPLIES: Sorry Silver, not EVEN close‼️
SILVER SAYS: I have heard some people claim that speaking in tongues and miracles are of the devil, and that I believe might be just what Jesus talked about here. He'll be the final judge, but if you want to hear my opinion, I think, those people are done. So, that's why this is dangerous territory.
LD REPLIES: False tongues and false miracles ARE of the devil‼️Then, in a twist of irony, you say, “God is the judge” but you inexplicably follow that up with a judgement call, “…those people are done.”
Sheesh, you’re all over the board with your biblical nonsense and insecurities.
