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BEING SOBER MINDED..ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS VS. ASSUMING.. YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO REPLY
Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 02:17 PM
I THINK ALMOST ALL MAKE THE MISTAKE OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS OR PLAYING MIND READER, FROM TIME TO TIME. BUT WHEN I AM CAREFUL TO DO THIS IS SOLVES ALMOST ALL PROBLEMS - I MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
Titus 1:7-8 (ASV)
7 For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
8 but given to hospitality, as lover of good, SOBER-MINDED , just, holy, self-controlled;
A bishop has to love hosting people and love good people. He has to be sober, which is referring to more than not getting drunk. The word "sober" means "safe (sound) in mind, i.e. self-controlled (moderate as to opinion or passion)" (Strong's). One dictionary says the word "sober" means to be "void of speculative imagination." That is powerful. A bishop can't be imagining what people are thinking. Satan will use that against him. The NIV translates this as "self-controlled."�Andrew Wommacks Living Commentary
SPECULATIVE IMAGINATION covers a whole lot more ground, I think than what is expressed here by Andrew Wommack. I think it all ties together with being selfcentered or selfconscious, but one of the worst forms of SPECULATIVE
IMAGINATION is when we play MIND READER AND ASSUME WE KNOW WHAT ANOTHER PERSON IS THINKING - INSTEAD OF ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS - TO CLARIFY WHAT THE OTHER PERSON IT THINKING. THERE IS VERY LITTLE THAT CAUSES MORE HARM IN RELATIONSHIPS.
I find when I am careful to ask good questions to clarify what the other person is thinking - it avoids a tremendous amount of problems - and lets me know how to proceed from there.
That's why if a person does not answer my questions I typically will abandon communications with them rather quickly. The main reason I will seperate myself from them is its impossible to have good communications under these conditions - and of course there is also a fairly good chance they may be hiding some things.
BEING SOBER MINDED..ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS VS. ASSUMING.. YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO REPLY
Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 04:43 PM
Hmmm.....
(copied and pasted from another thread)
I posted: "HAHA!"
777 posted: "BRNEYED GIRL
WHAT I SAY IS EXACTLY WHAT I BELIEVE. I COULD REALLY CARE LESS - WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE WHAT I SAY OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU APPROVE OF IT. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT- ITS ON YOU.
AND CONSIDERING YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING WITH OUT BEING SARCASTIC OR INSULTING - I ALSO HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."
BEING SOBER MINDED..ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS VS. ASSUMING.. YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO REPLY
Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 04:54 PM
brown eyed gal: i've been thinking that by responding to these aggressive posts, which empowers the posts, that maybe if all of us "gals" just boycott the cdff members who are insulting and abusive-by not responding/no matter the temptation. Gals: whatcha think?
i would normally NOT run my own "rant" under another's post... today i am making an exception.
BEING SOBER MINDED..ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS VS. ASSUMING.. YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO REPLY
Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 05:22 PM
Hello Goldenstarfish!! It's nice to meet you!!
I agree totally. I'm normally a very laid-back person, but God laid it on my heart to call this man out. So, now that I have, I will no longer let him have any of my energy. I believe that my work is done.
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Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 05:24 PM
dear 777 ,, be nice to the ladies here..
sides ,you did open yourself up to this when you made this post... we must practise what we preach are we not? if not then folks will call you on it as you can see here.
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Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 05:41 PM
Ole Cattle
You want to give me one or two examples of where I have been reading people's minds or seem to be? You are really quick to speak without thinking things through it seems.
And the "ladies" can rant all they want all they want. Just shows their colors. There is a whole lot I could say about that, but got better things to do.
I didn't even bother to read their last posts and I'm not planning on it either:glow: unless I am really feeling like I need a good laugh.
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Posted : 5 Oct, 2009 09:10 PM
The petty comments made by anyone, including myself, are not, but the principles are. But I will usually speak to anything I believe to be a lie which is addressed to me, unless I think it is just intended for arguement (and then sometimes too). There are spiritual reasons for that
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Posted : 6 Oct, 2009 06:01 AM
Friday, April 14, 2006
ANDREW WOMMACK
Andrew Wommack says:
"You need a healing? You have a tumor? Don't pray to God about the tumor.
Talk to the tumor itself!"
But the bible says:
James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let him pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Why is Andrew Wommack a false teacher?
1) Andrew Wommack is a man who despises the true sovereignty of God and preaches against the doctrines of grace.
2) Andrew Wommack says the biggest false teaching in the body of Christ is 'The sovereignty of God'
3) Andrew believes if you are sick it is all your fault and you are not to pray to God to heal you, but speak to the sickness and cast it away, and if you dont get healed it is because of your unbelief which does not please the Lord.
4) Andrew is a word faith teacher and a huge fan of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and Charles Capps etc, 90% of his teachings come directly from these men.
5) Andrew believes that in order to get more money you should actually speak to your wallet and command more money to come your way - this is where the nickname 'name it claim it' - 'blab it grab it' comes from.
6) Andrew teaches decisional regeneration.
Andrew Wrote: "It is assumed that since God is paramount or supreme that nothing can happen without His approval. That is not what the Scriptures teach. In 2 Peter 3:9, Peter said, "The Lord is...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." This clearly states that it is not the Lord's will for anyone to perish, but people are perishing."..Relatively few people are saved compared to the number that are lost. God's will for people concerning salvation is not being accomplished. (Andrew Wommack - The Sovereignty Of God)
Well, This is nothing more and nothing less than blasphemy.
You will see below that Andrew has butchered this verse as he does to so much of God's word in order to make the word of God conform to his heretical teachings.
Let's see what the scripture really says:
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In Job we read the following:
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
Who is the usward? - obviously it's the elect, because Peter is writing to:
2 peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Reading such heresy does make me wonder what Andrew Wommack does with this verse:
Psalms 65:4 �Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.�
It says above that God causes the one he has chosen to approach him and recieve mercy.
what about this verse?
Psalms 110:3 �Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.�
and this one?
John 6:37 �All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;
Jesus said that they SHALL come to him, not maybe but SHALL. You will also see that it is all that the Father gives to him.
John 6:44 �No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
It get's even worse:
"This is because the Lord gave us the freedom to choose. He doesn't will anyone into hell. He paid for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2; 1 Tim. 4:10), but we must choose to put our faith in Christ and receive His salvation. People are the ones choosing hell by not choosing Jesus as their Savior. It is the free will of man that damns them, not God.
People virtually have to climb over the roadblocks that God puts in their way to continue on their course to hell. The cross of Christ and the drawing power of the Holy Spirit are obstacles that every sinner encounters. No one will ever stand before God and be able to fault Him for withholding the opportunity to be saved. The Lord woos every person to Him, but we have to cooperate. Ultimately, the Lord simply enforces the consequences of people's own choices.
God has a perfect plan for every person's life (Jer. 29:11), but He doesn't make us walk that path. We are free moral agents with the ability to choose. He has told us what the right choices are (Deut. 30:19), but He doesn't make those choices for us. God gave us the power to control our destinies." (Andrew Wommack - The Sovereignty Of God)
This people, is more blasphemous nonsense.
Here are just a few scriptures on UNCONDITIONAL election. the reason it is called unconditional is because man didn't have to meet a condition in order to be elected, it is by the sovereign good pleasure of God that one was elected from before the foundation of the world.
When 2 mormons knocked on my door last year after first telling them that i didn't want to hear their false gospel or allow them into my home (politely as possible ofcourse) I preached by God's mercy the true gospel to them and one of them said like a typical mormon trying to earn his salvation "what can i do to be elected?" the answer is there is nothing one can do to get themselves elected or saved. those who believe the gospel have full assurance that they were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.
(Psalms 65:4) �Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.�
(John 6:37) �All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.�
(John 6:65) �And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.�
(John 13:18) �I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.�
(John 15:16) �Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.�
(John 17:9) �I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.�
(Acts 13:48) �And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.�
(Romans 9:11-13) �(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
{12} It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
{13} As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.�
(Romans 11:5) �Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.�
(Romans 11:7) �What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded�
(Ephesians 1:3-6) �Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
{4} According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
(2 Timothy 1:9-10) �Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
{10} But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:�
God from eternity has predestined some men to life, and reprobated some to death.
The moving or efficient cause of predestination to life is not the foreseeing of faith, or of perseverance, or of good works, or of anything in the person of the predestinated, but only the will of the good pleasure of God.
There is a determined and certain number of predestined, which cannot be increased or diminished.
Those not predestinated to salvation are inevitably condemned on account of their sins.
My friend asked me about reprobation in response to a question his friend asked him - this was my answer - you will read much scripture.
Romans 11:22
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God"
Men seem to have the idea that they're innocent or deserve some kind of mercy.
this is not the case.
God tells us in Romans 3:8 - that the damnation of the wicked/reprobate is just
2 thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should all believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Acts 14:16
"Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways"
Amos 3:2
"You only (Israel) have I known of all the families of the earth"
Joshua 11:18-20
"Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favor, but that He might destroy them as the LORD commanded Moses".
Proverbs 16:4
"The LORD hath made all things for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil".
Romans 9:17
"For the Scripture saith unto Pharoah, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show My power in thee, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth."
Exodus 9:15,16
"For now I will stretch out My hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth. And in every deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to show in thee My power; and that My name may be declared throughout all the earth".
Proverbs 16:1
"The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD"
Proverbs 21:1
"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water, He turneth it withersoever He will"
Romans 9:18
"Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth."
John 12:37-40
"But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him: that the saying of Esaias (Isaiah) the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."
Romans 9:19
"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will?"
Romans 9:20
"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
Romans 9:21-23
"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump, to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory."
Romans 11:7
"What then? That which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not, but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened"
1 Thessalonians 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."
what of the reprobate?
1 Peter 2:8
"A Stone of stumbling, and a Rock of offence, even to them who stumble at the Word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed"
2 Peter 2:12
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption"
Jude 4
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"
Revelation 13:8
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that hath been slain"
It's important to remember also that:
Ecclesiastes 7:29
"God hath made man upright: but they have sought out many inventions"
the below is from A.W Pink's book 'the sovereignty of God' - The unedited edition that Iain Murray and co from the banner of (so called) truth didn't butcher:
God's decree of Reprobation contemplated Adam's race as fallen, sinful, corrupt, guilty. From it God purposed to save a few as the monuments of His Sovereign grace; the others He determined to destroy as the exemplification of His justice and severity. In determining to destroy these others, God did them no wrong. They had already fallen in Adam, their legal representative; they are therefore born with a sinful nature, and in their sins He leaves them. Nor can they complain. This is as they wish; they have no desire for holiness; they love darkness rather than light. Where, then, is there any injustice if God "gives them up to their own heart's lusts" (Psa. 81:12).
Second, the doctrine of Reprobation does not mean that God refuses to save those who earnestly seek salvation. The fact is that the reprobate have no longing for the Saviour: they see in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. They will not come to Christ-why then should God force them to? He turns away none who do come-where then is the injustice of God foredetermining their just doom? None will be punished but for their iniquities; where then is the supposed tyrannical cruelty of the Divine procedure? Remember that God is the Creator of the wicked, not of their wickedness; He is the Author of their being, but not the Infuser of their sin.
Dont confuse the above with arminians seeking God.
Jesus said many will seek to enter but shall not be able.
God does not (as we have been slanderously reported to affirm) compel the wicked to sin, as the rider spurs on an unwilling horse. God only says in effect that awful word, "Let them alone" (Matt. 15:14). He needs only to slacken the reins of providential restraint, and withhold the influence of saving grace, and apostate man will only too soon and too surely, of his own accord, fall by his iniquities. Thus the decree of reprobation neither interferes with the bent of man's own fallen nature, nor serves to render him the less inexcusable.
Third, the decree of Reprobation in nowise conflicts with God's goodness. Though the non-elect are not the objects of His goodness in the same way or to the same extent as the elect are, yet are they not wholly excluded from a participation of it. They enjoy the good things of Providence (temporal blessings) in common with God's own children, and very often to a higher degree. But how do they improve them? Does the (temporal) goodness of God lead them to repent? Nay, verily, they do but despise "His goodness, and forbearance, and longsuffering," and "after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath" (Rom. 2:4, 5). On what righteous ground, then, can they murmur against not being the objects of His benevolence in the endless ages yet to come? Moreover, if it did not clash with God's mercy and kindness to leave the entire body of the fallen angels (2 Peter 2:4) under the guilt of their apostasy still less can it clash with the Divine perfections to leave some of fallen mankind in their sins and punish them for them.
Finally, let us interpose this necessary caution: It is utterly impossible for any of us, during the present life, to ascertain who are among the reprobate.
We must not now so judge any man, no matter how wicked he may be. The vilest sinner, may, for all we know, be included in the election of grace and be one day quickened by the Spirit of grace. Our marching orders are plain, and woe unto us if we disregard them-"Preach the Gospel to every creature." When we have done so our skirts are clear. If men refuse to heed, their blood is on their own heads; nevertheless "we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish. To the one we are a savor of death unto death; and to the other we are a savor of life unto life" (2 Cor. 2:15, 16).
We must now consider a number of passages which are often quoted with the purpose of showing that God has not fitted certain vessels to destruction or ordained certain ones to condemnation. First, we cite Ezekiel 18:31-"Why will ye die, O house of Israel?" On this passage we cannot do better than quote from the comments of Augustus Toplady:-"This is a passage very frequently, but very idly, insisted upon by Arminians, as if it were a hammer which would at one stroke crush the whole fabric to powder. But it so happens that the 'death' here alluded to is neither spiritual nor eternal death: as is abundantly evident from the whole tenor of the chapter.
The death intended by the prophet is a political death; a death of national prosperity, tranquillity, and security. The sense of the question is precisely this: What is it that makes you in love with captivity, banishment, and civil ruin. Abstinence from the worship of images might, as a people, exempt you from these calamities, and once more render you a respectable nation. Are the miseries of public devastation so alluring as to attract your determined pursuit? Why will ye die? die as the house of Israel, and considered as a political body? Thus did the prophet argue the case, at the same time adding-'For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth saith the Lord God, wherefore, turn yourselves, and live ye.' This imports: First, the national captivity of the Jews added nothing to the happiness of God. Second, if the Jews turned from idolatry, and flung away their images, they should not die in a foreign, hostile country, but live peaceably in their own land and enjoy their liberties as an independent people." To the above we may add: political death must be what is in view in Ezekiel 18:31, 32 for the simple but sufficient reason that they were already spiritually dead!
Matthew 25:41 is often quoted to show that God has not fitted certain vessels to destruction- "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels." This is, in fact, one of the principal verses relied upon to disprove the doctrine of Reprobation. But we submit that the emphatic word here is not "for" but "Devil." This verse (see context) sets forth the severity of the judgment which awaits the lost. In other words, the above Scripture expresses the awfulness of the everlasting fire rather than the subjects of it-if the fire be "prepared for the Devil and his angels" then how intolerable it will be! If the place of eternal torment into which the damned shall be cast is the same as that in which God's arch-enemy will suffer, how dreadful must that place be!
Again: if God has chosen only certain ones to salvation, why are we told that God "now commandeth all men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30)? That God commandeth "all men" to repent is but the enforcing of His righteous claims as the moral Governor of the world. How could He do less, seeing that all men everywhere have sinned against Him? Furthermore, that God commandeth all men everywhere to repent argues the universality of creature responsibility. But this Scripture does not declare that it is God's pleasure to "give repentance" (Acts 5:31) everywhere. That the Apostle Paul did not believe God gave repentance to every soul is clear from his words in 2 Timothy 2:25--"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."
Again, we are asked, if God has "ordained" only certain ones unto eternal life then why do we read that He "will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4)? The reply is, that the words "all" and "all men," like the term "world," are often used in a general and relative sense. Let the reader carefully examine the following passages: Mark 1:5; John 6:45; 8:2; Acts 21:28; 22:15; 2 Corinthians 3:2, etc., and he will find full proof of our assertion. 1 Timothy 2:4 cannot teach that God wills the salvation of all mankind or otherwise all mankind would be saved-"What His soul desireth even that He doeth" (Job 23:13)!
Again; we are asked, Does not Scripture declare, again and again, that God is no "respecter of persons"? We answer, it certainly does, and God's electing grace proves it. The seven sons of Jesse, though older and physically superior to David, are passed by, while the young shepherd-boy is exalted to Israel's throne. The scribes and lawyers pass unnoticed, and ignorant fishermen are chosen to be the Apostles of the Lamb. Divine truth is hidden from the wise and prudent and is revealed to babes instead. The great majority of the wise and noble are ignored, while the weak, the base, the despised, are called and saved. Harlots and publicans are sweetly compelled to come in to the Gospel feast while self-righteous Pharisees are suffered to perish in their immaculate morality. Truly, God is "no respecter" of persons or He would not have saved me.
That the Doctrine of Reprobation is a "hard saying" to the carnal mind is readily acknowledged-yet, is it any "harder" than that of eternal punishment? That it is clearly taught in Scripture we have sought to demonstrate, and it is not for us to pick and choose from the truths revealed in God's Word. Let those who are inclined to receive those doctrines which commend themselves to their judgment, and who reject those which they cannot fully understand, remember those scathing words of our Lord's, "O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken" (Luke 24:25): fools because slow of heart; slow of heart, not dull of head!
this doctrine which is so bitterly hated in these last days, when men will no longer "endure sound doctrine"; hated by men of lofty pretentions, but who, notwithstanding their boasted orthodoxy and much advertised piety, are not worthy to unfasten the shoes of the faithful and fearless servants of God of other days.
"O the depth of the riches both of wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! For what hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor? or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory forever, Amen" (Rom. 11:33-36).*
* "Of Him"-His will is the origin of all existence; "through" or "by Him"-He is the Creator and Controller of all; "to Him"-all things promote His glory in their final end.
Many of you reading this article now are appealing with a "what about John 3:16 - it says God loves everyone and wants to save everyone!!!!!!!"
this verse doesn't say that AT ALL.
in light of the rest of the bible we know it is talking about God's elect, and also it says that one ones believing in Jesus will not perish, we know that only the elect believe the true gospel. 2 verses later, Jesus said this:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Posted : 6 Oct, 2009 07:47 AM
Man O God
How dare you critisize a man of God who does more for the kingdom in one hour than you will ever do in your lifetime.
I think that is way much about Andrew Wommack and I guarantee that a lot of your statements about him are way wrong. Mainly misperceptions.
The proof is in the pudding. You know them by their fruits. The devil doesn't do good.
I know a tremendous amount more about Andrew Wommack and his ministry that you do its not even close.
I know what he teaches is true as I was able to pray away a fairly significant injuryto my hand before that injury ever had time to manifest as a result of applying principle learned though his ministry.
His ministry trains pastors all over the world at AWMIs own expense and sends out millions of dollars in free teaching materials all over the world to people who can not afford them. They are have the highest rating possible (4 Star) with the Charity Navigator who investigates ALL charitable organizations, their books and how their funds are distributed.
I din't even bother to read your whole post. The first paragraph or two told me enough.
Even if your comments were correct which they are certainly not. Your post has nothing to do with the topic of this Forum.
