Author	Thread: Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men?
Ocean17 View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 22 Oct, 2017 08:13 PM It would be interesting to have men from various age groups reply. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 24 Oct, 2017 11:19 PM control usually has a narrative it follows, facts and figures spiritual realities all add up to one thing the church is under attack, we could wrap it in one schism or pentecostal that, we could attribute it to falling away or a society in deep need of morality, it all boils down to narrative the way you view the way you see the things you say constantly another narrative to stack on the others when all we honestly lack is blunt acceptance that if the world first rejected him then how are we to fair ? if you find yourself an adversary one not of your design or choosing it's probably because you're one of his and called on time, an attack usually follows the tick of our spiritual clock, so if the church is under attack by an unclean feminizing force up will rise a david if not in me then you or him or her, an apostate church is usually warned and the watchmen gather force so if your church is under attack will you heed the call ? yes the church is under attack not all fine cloth clothes you in beauty; some are covered in saints blood, the battle is fought in the temples of flesh, some belong to God, do you believe the battle is narrow is the war far reaching and wide ? narrow is the the way to your salvation whilst the battle ranges far and wide, of course the church struggles against the things of God, destroys the faith our fathers trod, see it say it speak it out follow the words to eternity, not even the emperors finest new clothes fooled a babe with enough to declare "you are naked" so there leaves one question only one remains, what is your narrative by what do you see ? Post Reply
1jon310 View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 25 Oct, 2017 08:26 PM Yes Post Reply
Ocean17 View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 29 Oct, 2017 07:54 PM I totally agree in the women's rights movement of the 70s, that something had to be done to wake the world as to women's rights. There is still work to be done. However, I believe we've gone too far over on the other side of the pendulum. In myself, I've become the male in some areas because of the lack of men who live up to the call. It has however, helped me understand men a little more. On the other hand, most men, Christian or not, that I meet are fragile, broken from previous relationships. They've lost confidence, are confused and really don't know what to do about their future. The friendships are wonderful and we get along great in talking and working things out but these are not the type of men I'm interested in for a long term relationship/marriage. We all have experiences and stories that have molded us to what we are today. I don't want to be Snow White for someone. I'm more like Cinderella who likes shoes, dancing, socializing and changes after midnight (lives a double life hahaha). I've done my share of encouraging men to be Men, with a capital M as I always say. What happens when a Man is masculine? I become more feminine. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 30 Oct, 2017 01:22 AM "I totally agree in the women's rights movement of the 70s, that something had to be done to wake the world as to women's rights. There is still work to be done." The problem there is that while woman gained extra rights they also gained the responsibilities that goes along with every single extra right, they also cursed the woman in later generations that were born into those rights with this in some aspects completely unnatural and against God's judgement on Eve view of life. The result of this was also that certain rights were taken away from men while attempting to leave the responsibilities in mens hands, in effect overloading them while taking away rewards and attemting to also alter God's judgement on Adam... this tinkering with society has brought nothing but silent suffering and a obligation for woman to completely deny that they are in effect damning themselves long term with some only admitting it late in life when they have lost most of what they could have had. "On the other hand, most men, Christian or not, that I meet are fragile, broken from previous relationships. They've lost confidence, are confused and really don't know what to do about their future. " Wel congradulations, woman demanded that men de-masculanise and the men allowed themselves to be manipulated into serving the wants of woman instead of their needs.... it's a replay of original sin. Woman have in effect broken men and now are refusing to admit that it is WOMAN that must fix the situation NOT men. Woman now have the RESPONSIBILITY to re-masculanise men, if all you (woman) have is broken men then you have no choice but to mend them yourself ESPECIALLY if it was you that broke them in the first place. I want to have satisfying & high paying work, I can't have that. I want a situation where I can provide everything a woman needs, I can't have that. I want a woman that dotes on me and demands my authority over her (which is very ironic and proving that God has a sense of humor) as strong woman have done in mellenia past, a woman that understands the strength of subservience and the weakness of selfishness.... can't have that. Instead of what I childishly want but can't have I try to focus on what I need instead, a woman that somehow can tame my chaos and calm my storms or at least properly focus them... also she has to be able to match my "torrents beneath the surface" passionate personality in a way that does not make a firestorm of a campfire. I basically need someone like me that is not a copy of me to ballence me out but usually I tend to want "strange woman" which I tend to refer to as Solomon's curse. My point being stop focussing of what you WANT and figure out what you NEED and what YOU should do to get it, it's foolish to condemn victims for situations they have no control over and wise to admit where either you or they are at fault and why. The first wave of femminism in the early 1900's is the only one I will ever support. Post Reply
Ocean17 View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 30 Oct, 2017 07:14 PM Dearest Rambo919, Thank you for your comments on all of my questions. You are a passionate man, with comments of his own. This is good. I once attended a 3 day seminar with a well known evangelist where they suggested that much of todays relationship woes are due to the men who left their wives just prior to the women's movement, alone with children and no financial support. These women had to work several jobs therefore, the older children raised the younger children, usuallly in proverty. Today we have generations of children who have grown into adult children, raising children. God is either not mentioned often or not known at all. As children, we continuously want more vs what we really need. After much consideration and prayer, I do see where they come from and this has some validity in today's world. Before I truly believed, I was in a 5 year relationship where I submitted to my boyfriend's life, his friends etc. One day he began to discuss marriage probably because all his friends were getting married. It took me 2 weeks to find the words but I finally expressed how unhappy I was. Basically I had no identity, I looked good, the guys liked, a girl you could bring home, I was arm candy. I did not feel like my own person. I have been focusing to be content with the blessings I have and attempting to be the best woman I can be. I can truly say that I have given sincere thought as to what I need. Since I've joined this group, I've enjoyed thinking about that a little more. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 30 Oct, 2017 10:23 PM Most men leaving woman alone with children is a direct result of the 50's/60's "sexual revolution", all that "liberation" ended up with grown children refusing to admit that their parents were right all along and that promiscuity is only fun for a short while. This climate of unhappy woman made the 70's wave of feminism possible.... it was basically a prolonged temper tantrum attempt at diverting personal responsibility by blaming it all on the men. So you were more scared of marriage than he was? Sounds like he was at least trying in the end but a 5 year relationship is a mistake since it's basically just "fun limbo" with no concrete results. The thing with having a "identity" (man or woman) is you don't find it, it finds you. You don't create it, it's already there you just need to slow down, see it and submit to it. Not everyone can be a bright shining star some of us are the cooks, plumbers and cleaners. I personally know the futility of fighting who I really am so it's not simply speculation.... also WHO you are is completely separate from WHAT you happen to be at any given time, being married or not only influences who you are at the core. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 30 Oct, 2017 11:40 PM To be the sequence was a sizable minority of men & woman drove themselves into sexual sin out of rebellion towards God. These woman receiving the shorter end of the stick decided to blame "all men" for something the men they had contact with never were under any illusions about. The men that participated knew exactly what they signed up for while the woman lied to themselves and then shifted blame when the consequences became all too real. This resulted in a movement that fooled most of the other woman and the men being weak when it comes to a woman's wants and needs (and just wanting peace and quiet) did us all the disservice of giving in. The various "movements" are the cause of all the problems and it is up to the generations that inherited this mess to fix it but it has to happen realistically and fairly. Woman can't expect men to "be men" in a enviroment COMPLETELY hostile to it and men can't expect woman to "be woman" when most of them are completely unable to provide their side of the bargain. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 30 Oct, 2017 11:42 PM To be *clear* the sequence was Post Reply
Ocean17 View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 31 Oct, 2017 06:22 PM Oh dear, you missed the point. I wasn't afraid of marriage. It was just not a healthy relationship. It was all about him and his life and what he wanted. He ignored who I was or what my needs were. He was thinking of himself and not of me, at all, in all the 5 years. Lika I said, I was unhappy. The way I described him, he sounds more like a guy whois manipulating than "trying in the end". We got busy with life and I woke up when he wanted this life until death do us part. I later learned that he took our breakup very badly. He never saw me,only what he wanted to see. He never SAW ME. He just wasn't listening! Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you believe the church has been working to feminize men? Posted : 1 Nov, 2017 12:43 AM Oh ok, so you were both basically pretending in a way? Personally I cant understand how in 5 years he would not have made the effort to see the real you but I'm strange in general. Perhaps because you never made a effort to find your identity he thought you did not really have one too find? One can only ever guess someone else's mind in the end really. Post Reply

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