Author	Thread: Psalms 31
Admin	Psalms 31 Posted : 24 May, 2014 11:51 PM I'm very curious in what a psalms 31 women means to you. .-. Post Reply
Wild_erness View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 27 May, 2014 06:36 PM Recently this passage (Proverbs 31) was brought up in a discussion with a group of knowledgeable people . . . one of them said that this passage is not a reference to the best woman ever, but it is really a directive to the man in the relationship . . . the first verse (verse 10) of the diatribe to the woman that everyone wants to end up with starts out saying "an excellent wife, who can find?" and then goes on to lay out how the MAN in the relationship can do what he should for the woman in his life. He is a man of noble character (vs 10) He is a man who trusts his wife (vs 11) He is a man who leads and is a man of wisdom (vs 23) He is a man of blessing, and a man of encouragement (vs 28 and 29). How do you think the wife got to be so excellent? Because of the man at her back. This passage is not meant (in my view) to be a list of how to be a great wife . . . it is a list for the husband to strive for and assist his wife to be the best that she can be. As you may be able to tell, this passage has always sort of bothered me, because if the writer doesn't think there is a person to check all of the boxes created by the passage, then how can I as a woman even come close to what every christian guy has always been taught of as the perfect woman? Food for thought. Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 27 May, 2014 06:40 PM Wow, Amen sister. ^-^ I thought I was the only one that got bothered by it. Thats why I had to ask. Because maybe I was missing something but it sounded like every guy that said that wanted either wonder woman or a slave. :/ Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 27 May, 2014 07:01 PM http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/83978-woman-women-womens-wifmann.html Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 29 May, 2014 09:53 PM those guy's? they're in prison.... Post Reply
Wild_erness View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 31 May, 2014 09:09 PM Weird how no one is responding to this question! I am interested in guys responses too! Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 31 May, 2014 09:39 PM Lol yeah it is odd. I think their dodging the question. ^^' Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 2 Jun, 2014 10:26 PM Honestly, I don't find a Proverbs 31 woman too attractive, because she is too independent and too much of a workaholic. I have my own list of traits that I desire and find attractive in women. Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 8 Jun, 2014 07:44 AM You ladies are placing too much emphasis on the woman's talents. The focus of Proverbs 31, is a woman's relationship with God. Regardless of her manifold accomplishments, her strength is God given. She's a God inspired character and not simply a product of her husband's covering. This woman is also a shadow of the heavenly wife - The Bride of Christ. We as a body of believers constitute the bride (wife). Individually, we cannot perform all the tasks/duties expected of the bride because we are only a small component that contributes to a greater whole. As an example - our physical body comprise of many individual cells, each having a specialised function to perform. A white blood cell fights off infection, a red blood cell carries oxygen, but neither cell can perform both tasks. Same principle applies to the Body of Christ. Each of us has unique talents and abilities. Our function isn't all encompassing, but we're always provided with everything we need to do what God has called us to do, and our contribution is equally important. The virtuous woman of this day is a woman of spirit. Although the weaker vessel; she is made strong by God's wisdom and grace. She fears God, putting Him above all things. Her primary concern is being pleasing to Christ. She's a woman after God's own heart. Such an ideal does set a high benchmark, but it's not an unattainable burden. Seeking to emulate her high moral standards would make women more fruitful as Christian wives and mothers. Spooks, the biblical concept of womanhood portrayed in Proverbs, isn't your stereotypical "slave" housewife. Her life isn't dictated by the demands of her husband and children. Neither is she an overly ambitious, career minded, wonder woman who leaves her family to fend for itself. Being wise to the ways of the world, but living by the wisdom of God. She is wise as a serpent but harmless as a dove. Taking her responsibilities seriously, she is strong, dignified and multitalented. A caring woman; she gives to the poor and extends her hand to those in need. Any man who contorts this truth to burden you and suit his own selfish ideals isn't gonna remain happily married. God bless. Post Reply
View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 13 Jun, 2014 09:01 PM Great discussion. I haven't looked at it in that way before, as it being the mans perspective, but I like it. Post Reply
1mountain View Profile History	Psalms 31 Posted : 22 Jun, 2014 09:54 PM Proverbs itself states in the beginning what it is, it is Solomon (rumoured to be the wisest king of Israel ever) giving advice to his sons. As the kings of Israel practised polygamy, he had a lot of sons. I suggest we may should consider the differences between our Christian culture and theirs, not just in the sense of polygamy but in many others when we read Proverbs or any other old testament books. 1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel; 2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding; 3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity; 4 To give subtlety to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. In the beginning of 31 he is telling his sons to stay away from women like Delilah which you may remember from the story of Sampson. To stay away from those of loose morals and those who are manupulative. In short 31 is basically 'how to choose a good wife' and telling them to look deeper than the skin to find beauty. In another proverb (I forget where) he is admonishing his sons not to sleep with married women and even suggests 'you can buy a prostitute's time for a loaf of bread' and suggests it as a viable alternative. Of course in Christianity we would advise differently, but again that's further indication to not take proverbs as gospel. Perhaps the question to ask now is, what would Jesus think of Proverbs? What would he think of each one of them? Obviously he didn't think prostitution was a good idea, and seemed to treat his female followers equally but differently than his male followers. None of them were ever chosen as an apostle, perhaps indicating his assent that women should not lead. However he treated them as though they had big hearts and minds as well and clearly stood shoulder to shoulder with them, and in the case of the Samaritan woman (and probably many others) made her an evangelist. The women clearly had equal share in the Kingdom, though less stringent demands were made of them for the most part. Post Reply