Have a question for you, though I first wanna say this before I carry on with the main question that I'd like to ask you:
I wanna appreciate your sense of pleasentness, respect & humbleness when partaking in the chatt forum. You somehow bring balance in the atmosphere here, considering you're mostly attacked & misunderstood.
Your participation & feedback is highly appreciated by me. Keep up with that attitude, don't be diluted & compromised.
Main question:
(Its a little sensetive subject but I believe we're grown ups here & need to help one onother with christian issues)
Was just reading in the passage of 1 Corinth chapter 6&7.
I understand that the apostle Paulwrote in respond of what was written to him by the church. He rebukes sexual immortality & addresses married ones' on how they should condact their lives in marriege.
My question to you is: Is sex the altimate purpose when marrying? In verse 2-5 of chapter 7 he says "....Nevertheless, because of sexual immortality, let each man have he's own wife and let each woman have her own husband. Let the husband render to he's wife the due affection to her and likewise the wife to her husband. Do not deprive one onother, exccept when fasting & praying, and get back again so that satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self control"
What I like about the apostle Paul in this passage, is that he does say when expressing he's own openion, & he does say again when its God talking through him.
In this regard, its he's openion.
What i'm trying to understand from he's openion, are we more like objects for sex in marriege....? Is all that what marrying is about? (I know that sex is part of the package, though from how he addresses this, I pick this up)
Thank you for your openion, feedback & answer. Was quit a tough question to ask, you're the only one who I think can answer without offensive respond.
It is interesting you ask this question. Just yesterday my feincee and I were having a discussion over this very topic.
She was woundering if we never got a visa if we could continue on in our relationship uninterupted.
I told her that we could and remaim friends indefinately. For the very reason that I enjoy spending time with her.
But that desnt answer your question.
We as people have a deep need for intimacy and connection. I believe this is due to a couple reasons. One that we are made in the image and likeness of God.
He being the very source of love and intimacy. The collective of the God head and how the Father, Son and Spirit work together as one in perfect harmony.
We are prayed over by our Lord Jesus desiring the we are one just as He and the Father are one.
The fall when men were cast out of Eden due to sin and the oneness they had with God was broken. Ever since then men have looked for ways to fulfill this need and desire.
Our bodies cry out to oneanother when we either live in lust or live in love.
The participation of love making between a man and woman is holy and good in marriage. The act of sexual interaction apart from marriage is earthly and anti christ.
You see Christ came to give His life and that Heavenly Father might give him a bride. His act of sacrifice and commitment earned Him the right to a bride. Earned Him the right to the intimacy of a bride.
The pleasure and joy expressed when a married couple are cli...maxing I do not know as of yet.
You might say, how is that so because you are a father? I say this because I have never had a spiritual, emotional connection with a woman till today. With my previous wife I was only looking for my own needs to be met. This is anti christ. Today with the love I have for my bride and my desire to lay down my life for her I believe will make a significant difference in my expression of love making and how it makes us feel.
Heres the thing. The oneness achieved through honesty and vaulnerability is the reason for marriage to fullfill the need we have for connection emotionally and spiritually.
It should be the very standard of what we are called to show the world. Love.....
So to answer your question........Unity is the reason for marriage.
Their are others like bringing up a Godly family. Having Godly children. But those children are to become part of the unity of the family and learn unity from their parents.
We learn unity from God and then God makes us vessels and standards for unity. A man who is a servent of God and has not learned the value of unity will be exposed by the disjointedness of his family.
I believe this is why God brings qualifications for those in leadership. The men in leadership either truly understand the heart of God or they do not.
A husbands leadership in unity will bring secururity and peace to a womans heart and she will respond with great respect to her man. This woman has the freedom and security to say whatever is on her mind and heart. Even words that might hurt her man. Because this man of God is strong and he is always leading into unity this prevents him from reacting to his woman.
If preachers taught and exampled unity to their congregation and practically schooled men in it their would be no abuse. Their would be no divorce. Their would be strong intact families in the church of God.
Unity is the value that is missing in our world today. The world knows the need for unity and it will have it under the antichrist. This unity will be for the worship of satin not forthe glory of God.
Their are false forms of unity. Sexual connection apart from marriage is one. We need to pray and look for those who truly express unity and love. Become part of those lives and lead the way by example to the lost world. We are the good news of God ( gospel) We were seperated due to our rejection of God and since Christ paid for our rejection we now have access to unity with God.
I love it when having discussions & addressing our day to day christian challenges. Your answer touched a lot of buttons in me & reminded me of a young camp that I attended about 2years ago.
Lessons about sexual intercourse & the spiritual energies transformed from one body to onother, since 2parties become one during the intercourse, its a lesson i'll never forget, though this is onother topic on its own.
One other thing that you've touched that took me back to a passage that was given to me by the Holly spirit, this one time when I was pondering about the after effects & the impact of sin in man kind ofter Adam & Eve were cast out in Eden, its Daniel 10.
(A little brief of this passage)
It was when Daniel fasted for 3full weeks, praying to God. An angel was sent to him (as he saw the vision of a glorious Man when he was by the river of Tigris.) as an answer to he's prayer. In verse 12, the angel said to him ".... For from the first day that you set your heart to God, your words were heard...." Mind you he's been praying for 3weeks over the same subject
Verse 13, The angel continued "But the prince of the kindom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; & behold , Michael one of the chief of princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia."
The Holly spirit was showing me one of the after effects of sin that took place at Eden. This is not how things were meant, God would rather come down for a fellowship with, due to sin some things were compromised. We're now striving to get through to God. (Thank God for Jesus who left us He's spirit when departing back to the father)
Though we now need to pray haerder, for longer in order to break energies in the heavenly realm, that withstand our prayer answers. Just as Jesus praying for 9hours before crucifiction, I believe He did all those humbling acts to demostrate to us how to live our christian life.
Much appreciation for writting back, had so so much to learn from your answer,
While I was reading the forums, I came across your question, which I discern needs a little bit more simplicity and clarity.
The ultimate purpose of marriage was/is for Adam (mankind) to reproduce Godly seed upon the earth.
He could replant, till the soil, prune, and cut back vegetation, and he could also walk in the dominion which God ordained. However, he could not increase and multiply his kind all by himself.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Woman was created as a kind of man, who would help Adam fulfill the command of God.
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God
created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Gen. 5:1-2
Increase of the Godly seed was/is the purpose of sexual intercourse, even though that purpose was corrupted through the fall of man.
There was no anticipation of sexually gratifying ones self, because there was no consciousness, nor knowledge of sexual gratification, or nakedness of ones self (the flesh), due to the state of innocence.
When sin entered mankind, innocence was destroyed, and replaced by guilt, shame, and fear, through the awareness of the human self (flesh).
Nakedness (sinful flesh), outside of Godly innocence , became a sinful distraction between man and woman, which would began to work like a wedge, separating mankind from God consciousness. It also stood as a constant symbol of sinful shame to God, and so he clothed them.
Eventually, when God makes all things new, and saved Adam (mankind) will have put on immortality through the redemptive work of Christ.
The redeemed man and woman (Adam) will be changed into a glorified new creature which will be neither male nor female, but like unto the angels.
And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world
marry, and are given in marriage:
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,
and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in
marriage:
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
My question to you is: Is sex the altimate purpose when marrying?
What i'm trying to understand from he's openion, are we more like objects for sex in marriege....? Is all that what marrying is about?
Her questions clearly revealed that she needed to be taught the first principles of the oracles of God, as they pertained to marriage, and was plainly in the position of such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
I therefore exercised the liberty in Christ to share with her the
sincere milk of the word, that she might grow thereby, seeing that she appears to already have tasted of the Lord's graciousness.
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Heb 5:14
See was clearly choking on the strong meat of what Paul wrote. I saw no need to choke her further with more meat.
