In the most simple and honest terms I would say treat me like the King of a kingdom and the desire to treat you like a Queen will well up in such proportions that it will be impossible to contain.
However the reality of the situation biblicaly is I must lay my life down for you even as I and bring treated like cr@p. Just as Jesus does for us.
*sigh*
If men actually did this it would be powerful, but impossible without our submission to Christ.
...Twosparrows, you know I always love reading what you have to say. I do gotta ask though...who are all these mystery women treating you badly? Your status says single, were you married to some evil, overlord-type woman who tried to emasculate and humiliate you, or wouldn't be kind or gentle to you?
Usually hurt and anger towards something means that you've endured less than good experiences.
I don't know, sometimes hate comes easier than love from some people. It's really making me rethink man and woman relationships.
I guess I just need positive company. I'm thinking of going out to interview and question older married couples.
I need real life examples where two people are somehow making it work.
Nope, never married, engaged a few times. And Yeah, I've dated some real dooseys.
Interviewing married couples is a great idea, however how they make things work are probably as individual as the individuals involved.
I think the most important thing is choosing a compatible Christian for who divorce is Not a option, Not even in their vocabulary.
Seems my problem is Christian women my age have nothing in common with me and those women that do are younger and not Christians. Women my age want to take a trip to the beach, get dressed up, go shopping and to a nice restaurant, whereas I want to go to the beach but take the horses and eat wherever swim in the ocean and avoid the tourist scene.
1. To view or consider with some degree of reverence;
to esteem as possessed of real worth and then be treated as such.
2. That estimation or honor in which men hold the distinguished worth or substantial good qualities of others. It expresses less than reverence and veneration, which regard elders and superiors; whereas respect may regard juniors and inferiors of social standing.
3. That deportment or course of action which proceeds from higher esteem; or regard; due attention; as, to treat a person with respect
"...God is no respecter of persons. Acts. 10." What ever He may do for a King, He just as well may do for a common Beggar. God treats all humans equally without regarding their positional relations in social heirachy, or pretty much anything else for that matter.
4. Ranking of persons and treatment accordingly. A superior officer is afforded greater respect then the junior officer.
Disrespect often leads a man to treat another with neglect or a degree of contempt.
1. Wanting in respect; irreverent; as a disrespectful thought or opinion; mindless carelessness;
2. Manifesting disesteem or want of respect; uncivil; as disrespectful behavior.
What things can a wife do, that show disrespect?
The following is not exaustive, but goes to demonstrate the answer:
Showing a severe lack of faith or trust after many events showing that the husband is worthy of trust.
Refusing to answer questions in a polite or civil manner;
Mocking or otherwise demean or make fun of;
Constant nagging;
Bickering over trivialities,
Back-talking & Second Guessing;
Bitter complaining without real cause;
Character assassinating, running their husbands down, [to their ladyfriends, or family members eg. sons & daughters, in private];
Refusing to be led of, bucking authority; haughty; insolent; scornful;
Does the same go for women, as far as arguing over trivialities, acting neglectful, not showing admiration to the weaker sex, and treating them kindly, raising your voice to yell at them, or mocking them, or resenting them because they *need* you?
Or does this only apply to the stronger sex?
The husband is supposed to love his wife more than himself, more than his pride. The wife should do the same.
I've seen a lot of guys who just really treat women awful and then will turn around and say it's because of something the woman did, so it's not just the women that are ruined as modern human beings go.
The first thing Adam did when God asked him if he ate the fruit of the tree was blame Eve, and essentially blame God for giving her to him. Even though he wasn't deceived.
I would desire that my wife would have my back, that she wouldn't talk about my flaws to others, as that is the same respect I would give her, I believe that can really harm a relationship. To be proud of me, and when I fail, to have faith in me to do better. To value my opinion/input/advice. To always give me the benefit of the doubt. To trust me. To not accept others speaking badly of me (as we, in respect, would not accept others speaking badly of God). umm...don't COMMAND me, but ASK me....just as I would not COMMAND God but ASK Him. Not saying I'm God, just pointing out the relational similarities.
At the same time, if this is what I expect for myself, I am to love my wife as myself, and I believe therefore, that that same respect would be returned to my wife if I loved her as God commanded me to.
Some men seem to have a need to conquer and so telling a wife what to do might seem neat to them, but I myself have never enjoyed that type of thing. I prefer somebody to want to do something with me, or it just isn't enjoyable at all.
God tells us we are to Respect Him and submit to Him, and He makes His decisions for our advantage out of true love. That is the way it should be between a husband and wife.
Just another 2 cents of mine. I have a big jar!:goofball:
"Does the same go for women, as far as arguing over trivialities, acting neglectful, not showing admiration to the weaker sex, and treating them kindly, raising your voice to yell at them, or mocking them, or resenting them because they *need* you?"
"Or does this only apply to the stronger sex?"
It applies to both.
"The husband is supposed to love his wife more than himself, more than his pride. The wife should do the same."
Agreed. Augustine, the church father, says that pride is like a mother who is pregnant with all sin. All sin ultimately comes from pride.
"I've seen a lot of guys who just really treat women awful and then will turn around and say it's because of something the woman did, so it's not just the women that are ruined as modern human beings go."
"The first thing Adam did when God asked him if he ate the fruit of the tree was blame Eve, and essentially blame God for giving her to him. Even though he wasn't deceived."
I see both men and women do great evil towards one another. It is *never* right, regardless of genders. They (man & woman) have been "ruined" as you put it, for 1000s or even 10's of thousands of years.
These men you speak of, clearly have no self control, or sense of forgiveness, instead saving up "lists of evils done" to repay in kind, thus evidencing their lack of love towards the women they claim to love.
But, its nothing to do with "modern" humanity [male or female], and everything to our fallen state aka inherited sinner's nature.
Adam is the one, most directly at fault, for the world's present conditions.
He is clearly the first coward, furthermore, blaming others is never an acceptable response to being found out in sin.
However God foreknew, and planned for a second Adam (Christ Jesus) to right this sorry state of affairs.
listening when I talk, and at least act like your interested! If I can spend 2 hrs listening to you talk about how this lady you work with is conspiring to have you fired because she is just jealous of you, you can listen to me when I talk
I think the guys have pretty much covered it. GG said the same thing I was thinking. In a few years, Rachel, you can interview Prince Kermit and the Mrs. :applause:
