Author	Thread: Understanding!!
Admin	Understanding!! Posted : 27 Oct, 2012 05:51 AM 7Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered. 1 Peter 3:7 I would like to ask both men and Ladies what practically do you see this " understanding" Peter is telling us men to have? For you ladies specifically what significance does a man understanding have for you? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 10:06 AM In my opinion, the facts of the past are not important in this case. It does not matter what he has said or what you think he said or vice-versa. I don't believe what I'm seeing NOW is christian love/mercy/patience/behavior, and I would like to see love and humility more than the hard-nosed pharisee-like attitudes of calling everyone who disagrees you a false teacher. There were people trying to cast Jesus and John the Baptist out as false teachers. If people can view them as false teachers, there's not much wiggle room for anyone else who isn't quite that perfect. And besides, this is a dating site and a multi-denominational forum. If you went into another denomination's church and started preaching your points that you might on here, they would probably cast YOU out as a false teacher. Which will move your cause forward? Which is a better witness? Silencing, discrediting, and polarizing everyone who believes differently? Or humbly loving and reasoning and discussing truth with your own brothers and sisters? There are fruits to good doctrine. When Jesus is sitting around the table with the prostitutes and tax collectors, I don't imagine him going around the table, basting them in their own unrighteousness. Paul and the apostles were only quick to chastise and judge open, flagrant sin and doctrine that went against the very core of the Gospel. Otherwise they counseled us not to enter in it vain disputes that did not edify the body. If LTM is teaching that we should sacrifice babies to God so they can ride comets to heaven, then maybe I think the whole of Christianity can agree he is wrong and publicly chastise and discredit him using scripture. If he does put forth something you view as incorrect, counter it with what you believe is the truth, and support it with the scriptures. That is all you need to do, and maybe that is what you have done. Keep up the good work, and treat him like a brother that you desire to know God better, instead of annoying person that you want to silence and not see anymore, because that is the vibe that I'm getting. Maybe you don't intend to portray that vibe, but I think that fits into the whole point. "In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity." Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 10:18 AM Mark, Go and do some homework. It will greatly benefit you. Meantime, you are doing to me what you are accusing me of doing to others. You merely have not stated it plainly. However, all of the implications are there in your words. Do you even seek to try to understand my position? Or is it just "Hey, why can't we all get along?" Go and read these dudes posts. Go find out the other screen names that they have used and read their posts. Go and look at how many times LTM has gotten called out. Go look. Compile a complete analysis of everything that you read. Include all of the links to all of the posts. Include a summary of how you think each actor was right/wrong. Crack a bible and prove out everything that was taught on both sides. When you are done, I will give you my personal email and you can send me the document. Then at least we can discuss these things intelligently and from a common reference point. Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 10:25 AM I didn't say his meanings were unwritten. They are clearly seen in his posts. You judging from what you have not seen is rather foolish. Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 10:33 AM I believe Mark is trying to act as a "mediator" of sorts. However, until he sits down with both sides and seeks an historical understanding, he adds more to the problem than the solution. Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 10:50 AM Nobody is holding a gun to any of these people's heads and forcing them to come and teach here. Right? So, if what they promote can't withstand Biblical scrutiny, is that my issue or theirs? I personally think that I am one of the most detailed and thorough posters on this entire website. I detail out my disagreements and I provide plenty of Scriptural support when its necessary. I don't think that I have ever been given that same courtesy here by any of my opposition, certainly not by LTM. Maybe, someone can point to a thread where I have. I don't recall one. Post Reply
KiwiMav View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 02:29 PM I have read most of this thread to LTM and TBK. What I got from Marks view above is that the issue isn't so much that either of you may or may not be right, but the means that are being employed. I tend to agree. Some scriptures that come to me on the issue is "Do not correct the fool in his foolishness lest you be drawn down in his foolish ways." Also, this seems to be relevant "Correct the fool in his foolishness lest you be drawn down in his foolish ways." Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 02:39 PM Thanks Kiwi and Thanks Mark as well. I get what you both are saying. Believe me, I do. Kiwi, those verses from Proverbs are excellent. I use those myself all of the time. If you count comments, you will see that I am very limited and select with mine unless I am speaking with a friend in back and forth dialogue. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 03:37 PM GUD, I am not judging from what I have not seen. I don't mean to imply that I'm judging now. I'm only observing what is currently happening, I'm not deciding who is right and wrong, and I'm trying to be careful to say only what I think is coming across, not what you, LTM, and TBK actually are trying to get across. I try very hard not to assume what people are thinking, I try to give people every benefit of the doubt, and I try put myself in every category I disagree with because we are all in the same category. That's what I "TRY" to do...I'm not saying I'm perfect either, because I don't always have the mental awareness to remember to do all those things all the time. All I want to get across, is that no matter what we think of someone and their beliefs, we should at the VERY least treat them like an unbeliever, and we're supposed to treat unbelievers REALLY well. We're supposed to be trying to show unbelievers God's love and help them come to a knowledge of the truth. If we're trying to treat unbelievers that way, who don't really know or care about God...how much better should be be treating our brothers and sisters? The ones that(hopefully) have the same goal and desire to glorify God and live with him and all the saints? I know they aren't always perfect, but I hope you realize you aren't either, and if you think you've been granted knowledge of the truth by God more than someone else, then you have much more responsibility to live and teach it. To those who are given much, much is expected. Romans 14: 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 12: 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Galatians 5: 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. John 13:35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another 1 Thessalonians 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do . 1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Again, I'm not even saying you're not trying to do those things, I'm just trying to get across how important it is, and how sometimes it does not come across in our actions or speech enough to be interpreted as such by other people. We need to try to get it across, and almost more, we need to be merciful to other people, by realizing that they could be trying just as hard as we are when they say things we don't think are quite nice enough. And it's very possible to speak the truth in love. I'm not saying you shouldn't try to correct people. We should do that, that IS an expression of love. No one is going to thank us for not telling them the truth when they're in the judgment. Proverbs 27:5-6 Open rebuke is better than secret love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 04:19 PM DHTM, You hit it right when you made the statement that this is a social network. TBN, thinks this is a truth boot camp and he is the drill seargent. What I try to express are truths based in relational practicality. Truths from Jesus who says He is the Way, the Truth and the life. John 14:6. Jesus even tells us He is more than just mere truth. TBN's imaturity in understanding relational aspects are apparent along with his follower GUD. If TBN & GUD find a woman who is just only for truth they have no idea as to the destrucion of such a relationship. This will and I say will lead to division because they will end up in conflict at some point over some aspect of truth. Without understanding, grace, mercy and Love. They will bring their relationship to frustration and ultimatly division. Since we approach this site from differing points of view it is expected to have conflict. Post Reply
View Profile History	Understanding!! Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 06:29 PM LTM, Is the left side of your mouth ever in relational unity with the right side of your mouth? One day - This is not a bible school it's a social network Next day - Start a new post with a pile of Bible and challenge others to "Bible box" Next day - This is a social network again One day - Start a thread highlighting a post you find "insulting" Next day- post insults to others in several threads. Promote understanding - Make no effort to understand Promote unity - Show no desire or ability in a practical way to seek unity. There is no unity between your expressed thoughts and your actions. Of course, unity with others would be virtually impossible for you. This list could go on and on day after day. It's like watching a bobble-head go back and forth at 40 MPH And for the record, GUD is not my follower nor I his. What we have is a relationship in both truth and unity. You see one does not need to be sacrificed for the other. Post Reply

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