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osol_letse View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 12:37 AM I am a Female...i believe in God and I trust Him... I want to be treated as a woman... I want women's biblical rights be practically executed on earth..am I a feminist? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 28 Jan, 2013 02:08 PM Any manual labor would be the only clear example. Men and women are very different physically, but the bottom line is that if a woman cannot meet the standard of employment that is required, that doesn't mean she can claim "discrimination". If she can meet the standards required, then she definitely should be paid exactly the same as any man who does the same job. I also think it is fair to allow an employer to take gender into the equation. There are things to consider such as maternity leave, etc, and an employer shouldn't be required to hire someone that he or she thinks could potentially affect the job in question. It's their job that they're offering, they should be able to do with it as they please and hire who they want. And I think that it's only the physical difference between the two genders that the bible is talking about when it says "weaker" vessel. I doubt the bible is saying that women are dumber or less capable at everything or have to stay home all the time, just that women are physically "weaker". :peace::peace: Post Reply
NRSV1953 View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 28 Jan, 2013 02:58 PM DHTM, If we look at sexual dimorphism, we can see that the differences between the human male and female are relatively small compared to other species. Federal Labor Law states that if a woman is not strong enough to meet the standards of a particular job, she cannot claim discrimination. However, there are many jobs today that do not require physical strength to perform. And, like you said, men and women should be paid the same for the same job. Actually, according to Federal Law, an employer may not discriminate against a woman simply because she may get pregnant. While I am not here to defend the merits of this, I would like to remind you that most women will work well after their childbearing years end. And, yes, the term "weaker vessel" is a little misleading today, as our society depends less on brute, physical strength and more on education and intelligence. Post Reply
osol_letse View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 28 Jan, 2013 10:32 PM is there such a thing as christian feminism? do christians have movement advocating equal rights of female to male? Post Reply
osol_letse View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 28 Jan, 2013 10:35 PM i really appreciate such varied thoughts u presented..i really learned from them all. Post Reply
View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 29 Jan, 2013 03:02 AM Now i see your point of view sis NRSV1953 I would challenge anyone to view the family from a purely Biblical view without throwing into the mix the variable of time. Biblically, the man's main role was the head of the home, determining the overall direction of the family while the woman's primary role was keeping the home and mainly executive ie putting into play activities that lead the family into the direction determined by the man. Let me clarify something at this point,man is to cleave to his wife and the two are to be one unit. The roles are different but there's only one unit. I'll speak entirely about where i'm from and the things i've seen. The environment right now is advocating for an almost reversal of roles with women becoming more masculine, taking the lead in churches, at the workplace etc and men are becoming more feminine which is evidenced even by the dresscode for example and the emergence of the so-called metrosexual man. The effect of this new movement is seen primarily in the divorce rate and the moral confusion in and among kids,teenegars etc who lack the God-intended different nurturing provided by the husband and the wife. The Bible is very clear on the role of man and woman. The whole issue of rights is what is causing what we are seeing in the developed and developing world. Suprisingly enough, countries that are less developed have almost zero (0) divorces, i wonder why? God bless Post Reply
NRSV1953 View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 29 Jan, 2013 10:45 AM osol letse What a great topic you started! You wrote: "is there such a thing as christian feminism?" Yes, there is. While I am not an official member of any such movement (I don't even know if they have a "club!"), I am a Christian and I consider myself a feminist. Just like any "movement" in this country, I suppose there are fanatics on both ends of the spectrum. That doesn't mean that we need to throw out the whole idea of equality of the sexes. Mind you, I am not talking about being "the same," I am talking about basic human rights. You wrote: "do christians have movement advocating equal rights of female to male?" If you ask me, Jesus was a feminist. Now, before y'all jump all over me, I ask you to consider Jesus' actual treatment of the women He encountered. Social mores of Jesus' time indicated that no woman was to speak to a man in public that she wasn't related to. But, Jesus not only allowed this, He dialogued with women and also allowed these women to argue with Him. That was pretty radical for His day! IMHO, it is incumbent upon all Christians, male and female, to advocate for as much equality as they believe is Biblically correct. We will differ on some specifics, but the Apostles didn't agree on everything either. Post Reply
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WHISPERRED110AC View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 29 Jan, 2013 06:22 PM Osol, Bear in mind that am not well versed in scripture. But let me answer you this way. Suppose for a minute that you and I are best friends. You have just purchased a used car and you want to know what I think of it. After looking at it I trun to you and tell you it's a piece of junk. Now, do you take the car back to the dealer or do you ask yourself: (1) Does it do what I want it to do e.g. Go from point A to Point B ? (2) Does it run reasonably well, e.g. no major mechanical problems. If it does what you require of it then it does not matter what I think. In the end it only matters what you think. That's not to say God has no part in the process. I beleive He always does. But if you feel your heart is leading you in a particular direction then pray for guidance and proceed. I personally beleive that evryone on the face of the planet wants to be treated with respect, kindness, sensitivity, love and equality. Male or female. I cannot judge you for the way you think or want to think. That job is already taken. I also may not agree with you and I may in a curteous manner tell you why but I can't judge you. In the end God will sort it all out. We all need anchors in our lives. That doesn't mean it can't be a social venue. If it were one sided then there would have never been a civil rights movment. We don't have a one-role fits all. We have a multitude of roles. Husband, wife, parents, caregivers, but in my opinion the greatest role is to be messagers and exanples to all others. Bottom line; our actions speak volumes to others whether the are good bad or indifferent. As far as being a 'feminist' it doesn't matter what I think because if your asking the question you've already made a decision and are merely looking for others to confirm your decision. Sweetheart, "go with your gut." If God didn't want us to fight for causes and issues I don't think He would have given us free choice and a heart. END of sermon 1265. God Bless. David Post Reply
osol_letse View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 30 Jan, 2013 11:09 PM whispered.... i got ur point... my stem is to get ur idea about it... but others idea is not a determining factor with the way i live...and how am i going to live it... ours here is jz a way of expressing how one view it as it is... and to me...im learning a lot of things from others point of view... but with the way i live my life, i jz leave it to the Lord on what He gona reveal to me from His word on a day to day basis.. thnx for the reminders... Post Reply
WHISPERRED110AC View Profile History	Am I? Posted : 31 Jan, 2013 05:39 AM 1/31/2013 0831 Osol, Just read my through my response. Sorry if I didn't make it more clear. Sometimes I am long winded and in a manner too complicated to be appropriate. Anyway I hope it was of some help to you. Have good day. Post Reply

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