Author	Thread: Roles reversed?
Admin	Roles reversed? Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 12:23 PM I have a friend who is engaged and I asked her fiance' if he had a problem with her ministry flourishing as in her ministry is more prominent than his own. He told me the bible said that women submit to their husbands so she would have to hang back for his own. Someone please explain this to me because I'm noticing a trend here in ppl applying scripture for their own gain. Post Reply
View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 3 Apr, 2011 09:11 AM I wish I was that close!:laugh: Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 3 Apr, 2011 09:46 AM The reason we get iinvolved in ministry is because we have somethingt to offer, we teach, serve and do what is needed to meet the needs of the people. We all want to be used by Him who called us. When we begin to look at numbers/size, we have lost focus of the goal. The whole idea is to touch lives with the good news, to help connect with the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Post Reply
View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 3 Apr, 2011 10:23 AM River, If you don't mind, I would like to take your thought one step further: I think "ministry" is a dangerous word for most. By its use one can be subtly and easily misled. One can often detect this when the word 'ministry' is preceded by "My". The key to Christianity is and always will be a matter of focus. Post Reply
View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 12:38 AM Well, Well, just a few thoughts when the bible speaks of the man as head he is not the spiritual head, but the natural head. The root word to submission is to listen, but how about as the word says, sub mission, under the mission otherwords, both partners are going to have mission's in the relationship, and there is a balance here as prior to wives submit to husbands it says to submit one to another. Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 � Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. I believe this is why we have so many Christians today looking for mates and being unfruitful in acquiring a mate, is because Christians are more full of themselves than the spirit. Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 06:50 AM twosparrow and PJ are absolutely correct. River Post Reply
View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 09:03 AM I�ve really thought a lot about scripture recently. Really, really, thought about it, probably too much. In the past, I�ve hung out and talked with people who were different denominations, Southern Baptists, Methodists, and different people who had gone to seminary. I only knew them on a surface level, but we were friends and talked about God and I've grown to admire them. I�ve come to realize two things lately however. One. The Bible is a vast collection of Gods word written for many different contexts. Throughout the ages God had different covenants with man. The covenant God had with man before the flood was a different covenant that God had with man after the flood. The covenant God had with Abraham and Moses is different than the covenant God had with man after Jesus died for our sins. The Bible is also full of �if�then� clauses, and you can�t take the �thens� for granted. A second thing I learned is that mixing all those covenants up you can prove lots of things which may in fact may not be the perfect will of God for today. It�s easy to prove both sides using scripture. Take, for example, alcohol. The Old Testament talks about how wine is good for you, in the New Testament Jesus turns water into wine and was called a wine bibber (I wonder why?). Paul even told (was it?) Timothy to put a little wine in his water as it works as a cleanser and clears up stomach pains. Then there are verses that say the absolute opposite� they pretty much associate wine with slothfulness and foolishness. (I do like wine and I�m glad there is this balance in the scriptures.) Job 11:6 says �true wisdom has two sides�, and as Mark Batter points out �is often found in the tension of opposites�. What I�m saying is you can prove many things from the Bible. You can take all of the covenants, mix them up, all of the different counsel which was given for different contexts and you can come up with a fine theological dissertation. But what I believe is that God looks more at one's motives, the heart, than anything else. If a woman does not want to submit to her husband because she does not want to care for someone more then herself, whether she finds Bible verses (which usually are only half of a verse) which prove her point, it still doesn't make it right. Conversely, if the man is trying to rule over a woman and dominate her, no matter how many verses he finds on submission his point will be wrong, because his motives were wrong. I think ultimately, if someone goes to God with the right motives but the wrong answer, God will favor them more than someone who has all the right answers but the wrong motives. If the couple truly love each other, and want to make it work they can find God�s will together. Anyway, all that to say� that's just what I think about scripture and using it to prove a point. I know all your motives are right guys, :angel: I'm just sharing what I think about this particular subject. Post Reply
TonyP View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 01:18 PM pixy is absolutely correct. Post Reply
View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 5 Apr, 2011 07:23 AM God gives us each a minnistry. It is up to God when it changes not your spouse. Two people should desire to work together in minnistry. if not think twice before you say I do. Post Reply
shepherdingking View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 5 Apr, 2011 01:14 PM I thought this thread was about role reversals. I may downplay the sticky questions of wives submitting to husbands. But we all heard the curse of Gen. 3:16, that he will rule over her. It may simply mean it is because the men are physically stronger. Or it may be he has some other strength she wants. Ga 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: But God joined them together before the curse of the Fall (not the law). Science has verified this fact. The man carries X and Y chromizomes. And God took a side of the man, the Y side, and formed a woman. Woman carries two Y chromizomes. Therefore a man 'CAN' get in touch with his "female side" and relate to his wife in a very caring understanding way like a close girl friend. But the woman cannot do this so she has to submitt because her female Y chomizomes belong to him. IN other words, man can relate to a wife in an understanding way. But wives and most women think men are clueless. Nevertheless God created them male and Female. Post Reply
View Profile History	Roles reversed? Posted : 5 Apr, 2011 02:09 PM I thank all of you for your replies (although I think some of us got off point lol). I adhere to the bible it is the final authority in my life. I also want to bring to point that you have only commented on the little info I had given to which I apologize.the truth of the matter is I am a bit concerned for my friend. i take all valid points into consideration in asking her to put down certain things but... (sigh) the gentleman in question doesn't like her to be out of his sight, sighting loneliness and missing her too much. They spend all their time together and she has told me that she feels guilty about leaving him because he didn't have a great childhood. And that worries me because when she spends time with us he disapproves and thinks that she should cleave to him. I forget what she looks like sometimes and she goes to church with me! it just worries me and then when she needed to Canada to minister he cried telling her he couldn't be without her. that prompted my question about her ministry being more out there than his if he would have a problem and then he quoted scripture. It worried me cause his reasons were that he refuses her to be out of his sight. she keeps postponing the wedding because all they do is argue. She says sometimes she feels like she made a mistake but is scared to leave him for fear that he'll have some emotional breakdown because he's OVERLY sensitive. she can't even raise her voice. Now I'm thinking they both need to take a time out and talk to God but he says no he just wants them to get married but marriage is forever in my eyes. Look guys I'm really looking for some insight some help her, not to strike up a great debate about men vs women. I'm worried about my friend. Help. Post Reply

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