Sparrow, I get the impression you either don't like women very much or have had some very unfortunate experiences with some.
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To be fair though, it was not even a direct "insult/attack". It was stated as an observation, and not a fact.
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Second "offense" from Twosparrows:
Siylii, not to be disrespectful, but you have been taught revisionist history. You simply do not know the truth because you do not know history. I am not talking about citing isolated cases, but the big picture.
Third: And I don't like women?...pleeease....perhaps it is I who should be asking you that question!
Fourth: However I can see from your posts you have embraced a certain amount of feminism. I don't mean this to be condescending: I feel bad for you, because this is the opposite of what the Bible teaches about living the abundant life and living fulfilled. By continuing in this paradigm, it gives the enemy a place to rob you of all kinds of great blessings. If I didn't like you, I'd pat you on the back and say go for it!
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Now, all that might be ok, but it's implied that it's fact, and it sure sounds like you're assuming a lot of things. And all of that is from an "impression". An impression that appears correct now. And considering that the things you said were all apparently based on assumption, I think Siylii was a little justified in her response to it(and not just because I love her:winksmile:)
I respect you, Two, and I think you're a pretty good dude. You just have to remember that "good dudes" are quite rare nowadays, and that the "men" that are out there representing "manhood" to women are not very good witnesses. So when a woman expresses dissatisfaction toward "men", she probably has been seeing too many "boys", and it's not really an attack against you. I had the same problem, it used to be when a woman talked about how krappy "men" are, I would get upset, not only because they were being hypocrites and putting all the blame on men, but because it felt like an insult. Then I had to think about it for awhile...and there just aren't many good guys left(or women for that matter, humanity is in General Disarray). So now I try to jokingly correct women who say things like that by saying, "You mean boys, right? Those don't sound like men." Anyway....you have no reason to feel insulted if you're being a man and doing your man-responsibilities, just assume they mean "boys" that have never matured despite their age. If you're a good man, you're in a different class, and you don't need to feel defensive by generalized man-insults. Just make it your duty to prove what a real man is like.
To the topic, I do know how you feel though....the hypocrisy that comes out of peoples mouths is infuriating. I hear husbands/wives all the time, talking about how frustrating their marriage is, and then in the next breath they're doing their "this is how my idiot/selfish husband sounds" voice and telling all their friends how stupid/pathetic their husband is, or doing their "this is how my nagging/cold wife sounds" voice and telling their friends how bitchee/annoying their wife is. You can't have thoughts like that about your spouse and not have it carry over into how you treat them. Just makes me wonder why they got married to begin with. Spouses are supposed to be holding the trust/love of their mate, and it just makes me wonder how many times that kind of incident/treatment turns the love of a spouse "cold", and who's fault is it really?
Sparrow: Sarcasm, mockery, telling somebody what they think and why, blowing things out of proportion and out of context. Things I said definitively are things you have admitted to: shooting from the hip. Everything else is framed with �I think�, these are not attacks or accusations. I was trying to voice a concern and a desire to understand.
I really, really hope you manage to see your hypocrisy and can see who "attacked first". I am trying to keep cool and rational with you, but you have gone off on such a tangent based on misconstruing what ViolaKat has said and applying it to me. I didn�t say what she said, she said what she said. I stand by what I said and how I said it, and am sorry for how it has appeared in your perception.
Chevy, I specifically used feminine nazi for a reason, partly in a joking manner, and partly to show that this was getting a little absurd. Calling women a feminist because they disagree with you in something or because they question motivesis well, crazy. Guess what, everyone is going to have different opinions, and that's okay, but that does not mean the person who disagrees with you is wrong.
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Now to answer two's question, when a woman does not feel that her husband loves her, she is going to naturally feel that he is a bad husband to her. Some men (not all) focus so much attention on their children and forget that women have needs to. This is why a woman might say he made a bad husband but a great father.
I'm sure men feel the same way about women who place all their attention on their children and forget about the needs of men.
Simply siylii is of the right age to have grown up in a generation in which the schools, media and society in general has been indoctrinated with feminist ideals. Would it be a incorrect assumption she has not been influenced in some way?
I have experienced a generation that did not grow up in it and several that generations that did. I tried to explain that, and for that I am labeled as "ignorant". Does she know the meaning of the word?
Good job for standing up for your sweetie! I really mean that, I think it was the right thing to do and that you did it in the right way!...kudos
Simply siylii is of the right age to have grown up in a generation in which the schools, media and society in general has been indoctrinated with feminist ideals. Would it be a incorrect assumption she has not been influenced in some way?
I have experienced a generation that did not grow up in it and several that generations that did. I tried to explain that, and for that I am labeled as "ignorant". Does she know the meaning of the word?
Good job for standing up for your sweetie! I really mean that, I think it was the right thing to do and that you did it in the right way!...kudos
Without actually getting into the debate, I will say, yes 2sp, there is something wrong with you assuming that women who were born during this time are automatically effected by the media and the time they are in. There is too much history where people changed their world because they didn't go with the flow or the status quo.
Mark, you better go boy!! I liked the way you took up for your woman and you did it so smooth! :applause:
I'm going to assume here(lol), but I think she just meant "ignorant about her and her experiences/knowledge", not that you didn't know what you were talking about when it comes to the general population. I'm sure you're probably right about a lot of women having that influence, but it wasn't very fair to base your argument toward her off of your perceived knowledge of her personally. It just looked like a personal attack, because I know her, and she knows her, and I don't think she's a feminist at all.
To:River,it's good to see you again!Happy new year!:glow::applause: Back to the topic,it's so ridiculous that it's coming out from both genders.It's obvious that they were hurt before in the past relationship,so the person's now labelled "a bad person",but what got me is that the person was a "good person" when they first met the first time in their eyes!(shaking head at commment made).
