It is so hard to just sit idle while you spout misinformation. I had planned to do this privately and I still think that we should because you seem to enjoy the attention.
To begin with The Catholic Church does not need to Interpret Sacred Scripture. She was there when Scripture was written. The Writers of Scripture were there and they were the Ones that Taught those that went on to teach others. She was there when Christ Himself explained everything to His Church and Commanded His Church to � Go to the Ends of the world and TEACH��.
Chuck, most of what was taught was taught by Word of Mouth�ORALLY! Nothing was written down until years later. There was an Oral Tradition in The Church that was Guarded ZEALOUSLY! There was no problem with excepting the Catholic Church as The Sole Authority concerning Sacred Scripture until after Luther rebelled.
It wasn�t your church Chuck that Christ Commanded�your church started�what�10 years ago from another church that split from another church because their Pastor offended them by demanding that they do something that their interpretation of Scripture said differently.
Your church get�s its interpretation from The Holy Spirit�right?
What does your church say that this Scripture means?
2 Thessalonians 2:15
�Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.�
And what about this one?
1 Corinthians 11:2
�I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.�
And this one?
Titus 1:9
He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
It seems that Scripture says that the �message� that has been Taught must be passed on, but of course since The Holy Spirit shows you the correct interpretation�it should jibe with what The Church has known since the beginning.
So�Chuck�what does The Holy Spirit say this all means?
it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christs Body and have the right to be called Christians, And so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic church."
Steve, What part of that don't you understand?
I have never stated anything contrary to that.
I have also NEVER said that the traditions spoken of were those from Peter!
Is this what The Holy Spirit is telling you, Chuck? I think you really need to think about if that "voice" you hear in your head is the voice of The Holy Spirit or from somewhere else?
I have been thinking all this might be to deep for you because you have only been taught from a Catholic perspective, no disrespect intended, so it's okay if you don't understand the answers and can't answer the questions I posted for you. Perhaps I can make it easier :
Your assumption that these scriptures prove the Catholic church existed when Peter was alive is like saying : Because they were teaching the rules of football in colleges in the early 1900's it proves the NFL existed back then.
"Ok, question time for Arch. Why does the Catholic church remove the second commandment and split the 10th into 2 different commandments?"
2 �You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
I suppose you have a photo of some Loved one in your wallet? Do you also have any at home...on the mantle perhaps or on the wall? Are any of these of Loved ones that have passed away? Do you hold these photos in high esteem? In a fire are they one of the things that you try to save?
Statutes are held in similar esteem because of the same reasons that you hold your photos in such a high esteem. They are not "alive"...they are not to be "worshipped". No sane Catholic does that and The Church forbids it.
You really do stretch when you make this 'claim".
10 �You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.�
"I have been thinking all this might be to deep for you because you have only been taught from a Catholic perspective, no disrespect intended, so it's okay if you don't understand the answers and can't answer the questions I posted for you. Perhaps I can make it easier :
Your assumption that these scriptures prove the Catholic church existed when Peter was alive is like saying : Because they were teaching the rules of football in colleges in the early 1900's it proves the NFL existed back then.
Understand? "
Chuck...I'm still waiting for your (Spirit filled) interpretations. All I am getting is Deflections away from you having to answer me.
I wish I did not have to address each of your absurd ramblings but I fear if I don't then others will take what you say as Spirit Filled and Authoritive.
These Scriptures merely show that Christ's Teachings were passed on to Trustworthy Elders by ORAL TRADITION. No amount of deflecting will change that.
Let's take this private...Chuck, because it is just becoming a way for you to get attention for yourself. If you truly want to persuade me of the veracity of your opinions...then let's take this private.
If you continue to answer (or deflect) in this Forum...then I'll know (and so will everyone else) that you really are just looking for attention.
I know you have a dictionary, because you once posted the definition of "delusional". Would you be so kind as to look the word : "m-a-n-i-p-u-l-a-t-i-o-n".
In older catholic bibles and catechisms, the 2nd commandment is missing and the last commandment is split in two to fill the void.(The Catechism of Trent?) Why'd they do that?
You've said that the Catholic church "took the over" those pagan idols/temples/traditions for God, but I think that God made His stance clear toward pagan/idol worship in the old testament. "Tear down the high places". So there must have been another reason, because I do not think that worshiping in pagan temples or in front of pagan idols is a God-condoned practice. Far from it. So what were the motivations behind it? I believe that the truth was corrupted by all the pagans that were added to the church when Constitute nationalized Christianity. They slipped in their familiar pagan traditions to make it easy for them to accept this strange new religion that they were forced into.
Let's just keep this private, because you really do not have any desire to discuss this at all. I'll wait for you to email me (I'll wait forever), but this is becoming tiring. I'll give you one more chance...what does The Holy Spirit tell you is the interpretation.
