Friend I first need to apologize for interfering with mans' topics. It has been obvious that i'm interested in your openions, likewise with questions that you have to ask, I always find myself having something to say
Weither be i'm wrong or right in my replies, when sharing your view on the posted question,
I know i'll have something to take with...
I'll post my view in a different forum so I don't interfere with what guys have to say, since the question was not meant for ladies (hope you don't mind me writing back on your recent question)
Is divorce of Christ or Anti-christ?
In my little mind divorce is surely of anti-christ.
As always I may qoate passages that may seem erelevent, hope it will all come together to the point i'm trying to raise.
In Genesis when God created man He said "LET US make man in our own image" (please bear in mind that He was in unity with someone)
In Genesis 11 (the passage about those who built a tower to heaven) in verse 1, "Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. 3, They said to one onother "come let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly" 4, Come let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in heavens...." 5, But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6, And the Lord said "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do, now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them."
One last more to qoate
Ecclesiastes 4: 9 (the passage about the value of a friend)
Verse 1, "Two are better than one.... 10, For if they fall, one will lift up his companion.... 11,...Again if two lie down together, they will keep warm,.... 12, Though one may be overpowered by another, two can withstand him.
If anyone knows better about the power of unity, its the devil himself. For this very reason he was cast down with the multitude of angels which are demons today. Hense he does anything & everything to cause divorce in families. he knows that when devided, we won't be able to stand against him.
Hebrews 3:13 (passage about the power of unity)
....but exhort/encourage one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin."
When devided our sinfull hearts are our worst threat, for deceiption easly takes place, unlike if there was this other part with a sober mind to help the other part.
And again there's no church without family. We are parts of Christ' body through families.
So Christ is all about reconcilliation is he not? Is not divorce about forsaking reconcilliation?
So Christ is about faith and trust in God, is He not? Is not divorce the lack of faith in God and taking the situation is our own hands?
So is Christ not about forgiveness? Does divorce show forgiveness?
So is not Christ about sacrificial love to another? Is not divorce about protecting self?
So is not Christ the example of oneness? Is not divorce the breaking of oneness?
So is not Christ about opening up the door to conversation with us? Is not divorce shutting the door to conversation?
I think my point is well made. Those who are called by His name need to humble their selves and repent and turn from their wicked ways in their attitude of divorce. Preachers and teachers especially.
This is not about forgiveness from God it is about our lack of understanding in who God is according to His forgiveness and what His forgiveness should do practically speaking in our lives. Repent and turn from our wicked ways.
Take the theif on the cross. He repented and he turned from his mockery of Christ to humble submission to Christ, right?
Did he say well im just a sinner saved by grace now and I can still mock you jesus. How obsurd that would be , right?
If we take the theif's example of becomeing a new child of God then the fruit of repentence is a changed heart toward our sin, right?
So if we excuse our sin do we have truly changed hearts?
Can we change our own hearts? No, we can not. Only Christ can do this work throught the power of Love and the spirit of God working in us.
As long as we as Gods people live rebellious and stuburn we will never experience the blessings of becoming Holy and righteous.
We are Holy and righteous positionally but we as Gods people are also becoming Holy and righteous in action as be grow closer to our God and live in submission.
Yes ladies, we men need to submit as well. Submit our lives to God.
I meant to thank you for continuing to stay in this site for two more year after you've found your mate, when infact you had no reason to. It has been made clear that you're not appreciated in this site. Continuous accusations have spoke volumes how most members feel about your presence here. Have no idea how much you've impacted my life in just few days that interacted with you.
Personally I'm greatful that you're still around, with interntions of making most of every opprtunuty to get as much information & knowledge about life & God's word through you two guys (you & DHTM).
You really are two of your kind,
Rooted in God's word,
Not to mension a sense of strong charector that reflects when interacting with you.
I really have enjoyed my conversations with you.
You're far more of a blessing guys than I can ever write in my posts.
(back to the main subject)
Ok friend your last two resent posts,,,, especially the first one has really hit harder on me. Felt overwhelmed first time when reading yesterday just after you've post, still feeling the same way as reading now again. I'm disarmed & weary in my spirit. I really wonder if i'll ever consider marrying after this conversation. (i don't mean it bad dear) Though this seems like a covernent with hectic packages to bear in mind.
When saying "So Christ is all about reconcilliation is He not? Is not devorce about forsaking reconciliation?
What happens if the other part is unwilling to reconcile? It only puts a heavy burden of the one willing to reconcile, when efforts made are invain.
"So is Christ not about forgiveness? Does divorce show forgiveness?
I know that i'm not married just yet (really doubting friend that I will) though i'm the product or should I say Fruit of such covernent that was made by two individuals (my mum & my father) so therefore a lot of things said about marriege either affect or influence me. I'm really affected as talking about divorce & forgiveness. If I should sound a little ironic "I have divorced my father for once & for all since being sturk with him did me no good" I know for the fact that I have forgaven him for all, over & over i've been forgiving, till the very last incident when I was chased out of the house.
Yes friend,
My moving out wasn't peaceful. I was cursed & chased out by my very own father. I knew that was it, I was done with the abuse.
Yes dear you're thinking right, i was homeless for days. I know how its like to be homeless being a girl to make it even worst. He divorced me infront of family members, no amount of humiliation can even be compared to that. I then responded to what he implemented to me, divorce pf a daughter & rejection.
"So is not Christ opening up the door to convention? Is not divorce stutting the door to conversation?"
Your questions are really loaded as i'm trying to anyalise them, And they are very right too,
Though at times divorce is not a two way traffic. On the other partner its actually being thrown on your face when least expected. That's when one learns a tough lesson, that in relationships especially in families, you only have your self. its important that you look out for your self,
Cause if AND when divorced you'll only be sturk with your self.
As always your're touching battons in me.
But it ok my dear friend,
Maybe I needed such topics.
(can I diviate from our chatt please)
In onother forum here in this site, a forum of prayer request, a lady is asking for prayers in dealing with depression & anguish when seing a girl walking around holding her father's hand. It hurts her so much & takes her to unresoved issues (I think) with her father.
Indeed as the bible says "our struggles are common with any other believeer"
Though was just speachless after reading her post.
We need such talks friend,
Thank you for bringing them forth by sharing about your past experiences. Must really be taking aot from you.
It must be taking a lot from you I meant (opening up about your past experiences)
I do believe that at times when relationships are falling apart with a plate of divorce thrown at your face even as a daughter not a wife, the only thing you need to do for your self is to forgive & walk away. For your destiney's calling for You.
Especially if the other part is unwilling to communicate & reconcile.
I am truly sory for the pain you must be feeling but I am confident that our Father in Heven.....Hallowed be His name. He is and will bear you up through this time of trouble. As He does all those who call upon His name.
Thier is a treasure waiting for you here in this situation and the treasure is intimacy with God.
Without unity their is no divorce. Your family is not divorced against you but have abandoned you. Divorce only happens with marriage because it is a legal agreement between two people. Do you have a legal agreement with you and your family members?
In reality they rejecting you is the best thing they could do for you believe it or not. Now you have oppertunity to become healthy and be seperated from their dysfunction. It happened to me and my family also. I too was rejected by my family. My daughter is giong through the same thing with her moms side of the family.
I had lunch with her on Sunday after church and gently pointed out how she was becoming less honorable because she was acting as her moms family acts. They use manipulation and dont take personal responsibility. They dont talk honestly in love with eachother but hide. The list could go on.
I had to let her go and become independent but now I am trying to real her in a bit. I expressed my need to be her foundation so I can continue to pour wisdom into her life and she needs those around her that will challenge her. We need friends or a parent who has integrity and honor to remind us when we are slipping in walking a holy life.
Remind us that we might repent and once again live in strength rather than weakness. I have great hope in your situation and from here on it will be difficult but it will give you the strength needed to be the great woman for God you are and becoming.
The above asked question was trigured by this passage also.
1 Corinth 10
(this whole chapter is about warning of God's righteous jelousy)
I do hope that this passage is inline with my question.
Here the apostle Paul rebukes the behavior of unfaithfulness to God. He dwells more on the alters.
Verse 18," ....Are not those who eat of the sacrifice partaking of the alter? 19, What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? 20, Rather that things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demonds and not to God..... 21, You can not drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demonds; you can not partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demonds."
I've been trying to combine or understand these two different passages. This one & the above qoated verse about 1 Corinth 7:13.
Don't mean to complecate things friend, but rather need your help.
Example:
I'm married to my husband while we both are lost souls, who are wondering away from the living God. Our very marriege is currently rooted on evil alters. Say it went as far as introducing our kids to those alters when born to our evil believe (when we were not aware) through the sharing of blood of goats/caws, since covernents are always sealed through the blood. With time I get saved by accepting Christ Jesus as my personal savior, while my husband & kids are still lost souls AND it happens that my husband doesn't mind me being saved & fellowshiping else where (with christians)
Though now as Jesus' light is being revealed, I now know better than before that I was serving in evil alters.
My question is how do I keep my husband with hope of winning him over to Christ, while submiting to he's same old instructions of worship (that was never a problem before) but rather now that I know the truth,,,,,, that I can't share in Jeaus' table and the demonds table?
This is more of the explanation on my previous/above question.
Please help me understand this friend before moving forth with our conversation.
Can't give up now just cause i'm feeling intimidated, we've already came a long way,
Might as well carry on dear.
I really wanna learn how broad this covernent is.
And you haven gaven me a dirrect answer to my main question: Is marriege a ministry that only selected individuals are called for OR its open to anyone willing to persue this out of desire?
My answer is still an assumption relating from all your post.
I actually envy your daughter looking at the kind of father that she has, when saying that you've had lunch with her Sunday afternoon, i'm thinking of a memory registered in her mind that will always reflect whenever she'll find herself around that venue in future. Little things like those bring meaning & spices up a lonely life,,,,,, just what a girl needs from time to time.
It has been a fruitful subject I must admit. Got me having mixed feelings each day the conversation carried on. One time I was fascinated, the next I was threatened, (like recently) next munite I was thinking deep, while the previous time I had to go dig the issues that i've burried like they never happened, moments that you've really made me laugh, moments of withdrawal when I could just see how much of a big deal marriege is & had to admit to self that i'm sure anymore if I really wanna get my self into this. The list is endless.
Just wanna thank you friendship for all that you've shared till now. You've opened up your heart without holding back to this demading conversation. You've answered a question that i've been thinking of for a while now, "Why are marriege counselors bringing out the worst upfront about marriege when counceling couples intending to marry?" think I got an answer to that question through your posts/replies. You have been really helpful dear.
And yes you're certainly right about me being in a healthier place now. I needed this break, while had to go through all that i've been through. The apostle Paul says that "He knows how its like to have more than enough, yet he knows again how it feels to lack" mind you he was well educated. Likewise with me having to go through my humbling experiences, from having more than enough in a big house, to homelessness,,,,, it was worth that experience.
Lesson learned from that was that street kids & homeless people are normal people like you & I. They have dreams too, its only a season when lacking a basic shelter & food. Have a soft spot for them now more than ever. Now its my season to shine. I smell prosperity & success the all around me (not bragging friend)
I had to go through that fire, as the bible says our faith is tested from time to time like gold in fire so its genuineness can be proved. I'm not at my very best at the moment, will take a life time to get there through God's help. But i've had my share of hardship that forced me to hunger for success & sentle for nothing less but the very best that is yet to come.
And you haven gaven me a dirrect answer to my main question: Is marriege a ministry that only selected individuals are called for OR its open to anyone willing to persue this out of desire?
The answer is yes and yes. You see we as believers often think by black and white terms.
Yes, marriage is a ministry to those who make it a ministry and yes marriage is a joining out of lustful fleshly desires.
We as people get in return what we place priority on, dont we?
Its a matter of what foundation we build upon but we are free agents to build upon whatever foundation we desire arent we?
Here is the thing. Those who build upon a solid foundation will stand and those who do not will not.
What are you going to choose for your self should be the question. My feincee and I aspire to greatness in our lives and relationships. How do we achieve greatness you might ask?
Whoever loses their life for Christs sake will find their life and those who hold onto their life will loose it. Whever is least will be greatest.
We seek to be great by being least.
Your an adult and its not your job to try fixing those around you. Your responsibility is to follow your Lord.
When you pray and listen to your God and He leads then move according to His will for your life. If you are uncertain of His will you have His word also and you have His spirit, right?
If you make a mistake, Gods mercy and grace is sufficient. Belllllieve me cause I have made some real doozyies and still do.
Before I found my mate this time I prayed for many days and looked into His word for many days seeking answers. I am still finding answers to questions asked many years ago.
Just lelax and trust Gods leading in your life. Be still before Him and learn His voice for you as His daughter.
Will you make mistakes? Yes you will. Will you cause hurt to people? Yes you will. Will you make poor decisions? Yes you will.
Praise God that your human. Praise God that He will turn all of your sins into beautiful glorious treasures.
You see all we can do is encourage eachother to seek the one with all the answers. It is not me who does. I am just a simple man trying also to live out this life in a holy manner and at times blowing it.
You have all the resourses that are at my disposal to understand and know truth. You are sufficcient in Christ!
I hope yes and yes answers your question. If you need clarification please ask.
