Ladies and Gentlemen of the forum, Brothers and Sisters,
Most of you have been witness to a on going heated discussion pertaining to Catholic doctrine between Archimedes and myself. Some have expressed their displeasure. Others have refuted Catholic doctrine while supporting sound doctrine, (kudos to you!). And still others by private message have expressed their thanks for revealing exactly where Catholic doctrine is in conflict with the scriptures.
I believe this has run its course. To continue would become wearisome and frustrating. Only Jesus can reveal truth to the heart and mind, and I feel the truth has been delivered. Therefore to engage in any further debate with Archimedes would be fruitless.
So in closing I would like to express that Archimedes should be considered a brother as he seems in agreement on the essentials of Christian doctrine. I will no longer engage him in debate except for extreme circumstances. However, I will merely point out proselytizing to Catholic doctrine and will provide further proof when requested by any other forum participant. It has been my observation that when Archimedes is not proselytizing, he contributes worthy posts to this forum.
You can only build that bridge if both parties are participating~I only see one trying to build a bridge while the other one slings mud and slander snake at the PEACE-MAKER. So sad~btw~Arch~I pray in tongues, too. Wanna throw rocks? I'll pray for you. :purpleangel:
Cited from sermon central:
PEACE-KEEPING-keeping is about maintaining the status quo. Damage-control. Don�t rock the boat. If it ain�t broke, don�t fix it. It�s about conflict avoidance and denial. Peace-keeping is
about saying �peace, peace� when there is NO peace.�
PEACE-MAKING-making is the pursuit of that deeper peace which the Bible calls shalom or wholeness. Peace-making often requires entering into constructive conflict in order to realize a deeper peace, that peace which brings glory to God and reveals the depths of God�s love and justice for all people. Peacemaking requires a love offensive, which means loving enough to speak the truth in love, and to admit the need of God�s help ..for salvation.
Ultimately peace-making is about bringing glory to God because this deeper peace, this shalom, is a result of God�s presence and gracious intervention.�
Now when I comes to conflict, I am like Indiana Jones when he encountered snakes, �I hate snakes!� I hate conflict. But it is a part of this life and this work that is so deeply affected by sin. And Jesus has called me to be a peacemaker and He has called each of us to be one as well.
@joeysings :applause::applause::applause::prayingm::prayingm::prayingm:Let their be peace on between the two brothers It's ok not to agree in everything but at least uderstand each .....
Why would I throw rocks at you for "speaking in tongues"?
My question to Chuck was simply if he understood what he was saying when he spoke in tongues? I will ask you the same question...do you understand what you are saying when you speak in tongues? If this seems spiteful to you then I have to say that your "reality" is slightly skewed.
While I may have been caustic in my retorts to Chuck...I would hardly call him "the Peacekeeper".
What about an answer to that question? I really would like to know this? Can anyone answer this question?
When you speak in tongues do you understand what you are saying? I will think so...considering that you said that you would pray for me in tongues? So...what is the answer? And forgive me for be a bad man for asking this.
"In the same way the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will."
Your post was pretty awesome! I really liked it, I think you should post it as a new topic as it would attract much fruitful discussion on the topic of conflict and peace in general. I never really stopped to make a distinction between a peacekeeper and a peacemaker, without thinking I just lumped them together, but you are right there is a world of difference. Did I mention how much I enjoyed your post?...lol : )
Brothers,stop the:boxing: ing & to be:buddies:! I can't help but to :zzzz: & be like Mr.:MrT: when i see this going on here.You wanna know how i feel when i see this like going & start:toomuch: to calm the nerves,but since i give that up a while,i'll just let ya know that this is ridiculious! Do'nt ya want to be an :angel: &:party: like it's '79 all over again:dancingp:?Come on guys,bury the hacthet & be buudtes again!PEACE OUT!:peace:
Arch, I don't appreciate how you twist things around to fit your agenda. I said "I will pray for you" and have seen you mock the belief that any of us could be led by the Holy Spirit, rather than a group of or one man higher ups.
I never said I would pray in tongues for you~although I am able to do that according to the scripture, TS posted. I merely said I would pray for you, because you mock TS so much for his different opinions. You make false accusations against him, slam him, laugh at him and are just mean spirited toward him altogether. This is my observation from being back here for about one month? I will not judge your heart or where you're at with God, but your behavior in debates is comparable to the TV ads for politicians these days. MUDSLINGING~:devil:
BTW, TS is NOT a peace-keeper, he is a peace-maker at all costs. :peace:
As I said in the last post to you~have you read Matthew 5:44 and do you attempt to live by it? We all fall short at times but your attitude towards TS is as one treats his enemy, without the love of Christ in his heart. If you feel that :boxing: towards him, wouldn't you want to practice loving your enemy more?
Sorry if these threads are upsetting to others, but honestly, peace-makers do confront and defend the FAITH and it should not rock your boat that much if you are solid in Christ. Public forums are open to debates and rightly so~do you think the disciples never debated? This is real life, and when it gets too heated, we must remember humility and apologize. You can be so right~you're wrong! Relationship always comes before any issue ruining that brother, sister, mother, father, son, daughter whoever relationship.
And, I do learn from these debates, being an ENFP (extroverted, intuitive, feeler, perceiver) person, I need challenges to get me into the word and learn. Apologetics is not all bad~"2 Timothy 2:15- Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
TS, I'm starting that thread~good idea! :purpleangel:
