I am just so curious why men look at me as a piece of meat and not as a Godly woman. I talk about Jesus and I even act like a Godly woman, but men are always focused on lust and not the true meaning of a Godly relationship.
Nina, I apologize if anything I've said to you has come across as judgmental. My intent is not to judge you but to give you more information to work with here. I know that for me, I sometimes just don't see all of the possibilities out there and I need someone to come up to me and say, "Have you thought about _____?" I may initially think that what they're proposing is ridiculous. But, unless they've suggested something to me that is sinful, I've learned that I do well to bring their suggestions before the Lord in prayer.
As for why men are not more spiritual, some of them are not truly born again Christians. Others are not growing Christians; they want to keep drinking their nice warm milk instead of being fed meat; and when someone tries to feed them meat, they bulk. The same goes for us women, though.
As for why men are so visual, God wired them that way and God made the female form something very beautiful to look upon. This is His design and an aspect of the gift of sex that He's given us. As with everything in God's design, things go badly when they're experienced out of context. Men and women should only find pleasure in each other's bodies (even just visually!) within the confines of the marriage relationship. Men and women should also not seek to give pleasure with their bodies outside of marriage. When guys lust after women they're not married to, this is sin. When us ladies give them a view of things that only our future husbands should see, then we are in sin.
Different people have different definitions of how much is okay to show off to people you're not married to, and how much physical pleasure is okay (such as when to kiss and how passionately to kiss). What we can go can always back to, though, is the knowledge that we shouldn't willfully be causing others to stumble. I will say that I have yet to know a guy who doesn't struggle with not having a lustful thought when he sees a woman's bare chest. Does that mean we force guys to sin when we show our chest off? No. They are still responsible for their own thoughts. In turn, though, we are responsible for our actions and should not assume that our clothing choices are NOT the problem just because we're not forcing guys to look at us in a certain way. You can look at it like this: Let's say you have a friend who is a recovering alcoholic... You're going over to visit your friend and you want to have some wine so you take along a bottle of it and offer your friend some of the wine. Is this a kind, loving thing to do to your friend? It's true that you're not forcing your friend to indulge, but you are dangling temptation right in front her.
Last night, I was listening to some sermons from the Song of Solomon by Mark Driscoll (Mars Hill Church) and he said something that really struck me. He was going on about why men and women shouldn't cohabitate before marriage and was discussing the argument that people frequently give: "We just want to try things out to make sure we're fully compatible." And Mark said that practicing sex isn't the same as practicing a covenant. In fact, it's the direct opposite of practicing a covenant. It really helped me to think about what is involved in the marriage covenant and the purity of the marriage bed... and how can I practice that now, as a single woman? One of those things is realizing that my body belongs to my future husband. As Mark Driscoll said, your body is not a public park; it's a walled-in private garden that only your future husband should ever enter into. When we show off certain parts of our bodies, we're inviting everyone we walk by on the street to indulge themselves in our garden.
Personally, I've found that a good rule of thumb is to not show off a body part that would be inappropriate for a guy (other than my future husband) to touch. If you wouldn't want people walking by you on the street to reach out and grab a particular part, then it's generally a good idea to keep that part covered. And that is because guys are visual (and so are a lot of women, I think). Lust is something that begins in the mind, and sexual sin encompasses way more than just having intercourse outside of marriage. There IS a visual component to sexual sin, just as there is a visual component to marital sex. I don't think you can separate the two, and I don't think that it's healthy or Biblical to try. We must keep in mind what sex is as God designed it. Sex is a complete package of visual delight and scent and physical pleasure. We can't just toss out one of those components as not being a valid aspect of sex.
*** Men are more Visual because that is how GOD created them...Man saw everything in wonder First...Why wouldnt He be Visual ???
And not more spiritual?
*** Its a Choice an Im purty sure that Christian men have asked them selves this an work on it with thier relationship with GOD/Jesus*...
YOU ARE going to be Offended if you want to be.
*** Very True...people get offended all the time here...Its the ones that get offended most when what ever is shared in these forums is taken Personal instead of for Value�
This is the reason why I left the Church in the first place,
*** Ima Saddend ta hear someone left the Church in the first place cuz they didnt like what was said...I�ve heard people leave the Church cuz..� I don�t get Anything out of it ��Its jus my Perspective & HO here�Maybe its cuz they Don�t put Nothin into it�
Anywho�It is what it is�an Gents�Stepin up in Tough Love aint always Easy�but it is Respected�Luv ya Yall�even the Gal that got Offended & deactivated her profile�xo
Nina you are absolutely right when you said " You are going to be offended when you want to be"....you are offended.
You asked why men are more visual and not more spiritual? This question made me wonder if you had first hand experience with the subject, so I checked out your profile and pics. Sure enough there you are bending over on purpose with your cleavage hanging out. And accusing men on not being spiritual. What did you say about casting the first stone? Seems we agree twice.
No one is calling you a sinner, throwing stones or trying to run you off, in fact we all want more participants in the forums and would love you to stay. But let me ask you a question: What would you expect of a spiritual Christian man to post after reading your question and seeing your clevage pic?
This is a honest question and I do hope so much that you answer. I did not mean you offend you and apologize for speaking the truth to harshly.
Why are women attracted to a physically fit strong male body, why are they not spiritual? Then you click on my profile an there I am showing of my bare chest. What would you post....now is your chance to correct me I am listening.
One last thing ; forgive me in advance for being abrupt, but I have a feeling you are not perceiving the clues......leaving the church .......leaving CDFF..... what kinda of church would it be if it conformed to you.? What kind of Christian site would this be if it conformed to you?
****None of us are to be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds.**** In my humble opinion not only should you stay here and participate but go back to your old church. Yes... it might be humbling as God calls us to do. But I think you give us and your old church half a chance you will be a better person for it.
Again my apologies, I my have said it wrong but stand by my opinion yet am open to correction.
God made Man this way for a reason...sin has preverted it for another reason. Men tend to be better Hunters and better Outfielders because of this, but they are so easily distracted because of sin.
What God Created is Beautiful. God Created Women's body. Somehow down the road it became less beautiful because we men sinned because of it and so we have decided to "hide" it and to make women feel ashamed of their bodies.
So...because we men are weak and "fall" so easily -- you women need to have mercy on us and refrain from "exposing" any more of your body than we can handle.
Question...do you ever wonder how Nudists somehow handle all that "exposure"? Are they Better Christians than we are? Or where they just brought up differently.
What about those supposedly backward tribes in Africa or Austrialia...where women run around topless? There does not seem to be a problem. Hmmm...
and being told by my grandmother (I had run out of the bathroom naked) to "hide that thing of yours" and being made to feel ashamed that I was naked.
I do not exclude myself from what I just said...neither do I condemn any man that "lusted" in their Hearts. I just think it is interesting to think about why we are the way we are and how did God Create us?
I wonder how much it had to do with being told not to look and of having certain things made such a "big deal" of?
You're probably onto something arch, I've been wondering about that kind of stuff a lot. How many of our problems/habits/characteristics are from growing up around "sin", but are just "normal" now? Almost assumed to be "natural"?
Well ... the only answer that makes sense is that God MADE men to be MORE visual, ever since He took a rib and created a FANTASTIC, SENSATIONAL, BAREFOOT ATTRACTIVE GAL for Adam to visually go: "Whooooa, man!!! What a barefoot blessing you've given, God, to be MY helpmate!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! ... I'm gonna call her wo-man, because she makes me go: Whoaaaa, man oh man oh man!!!" :dancingp::dancingp::dancingp::yay::yay::yay::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::applause::applause::applause::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
I lnow, this isn't STRICTLY Scriptural, but ... if Adam spoke our English slang, I can just hear him now the first time he saw his Barefoot Beautiful, Sexy, Naked Helpmate Creation Gift from God!!! :dancingp::dancingp::dancingp: ... and men have been reacting the exact same way about women ever SINCE, visually, with or without clothes on, as far as sexy bodies go, at least!!! :hearts::hearts::hearts: ... Christian guys are no different but they ARE and SHOULD be more SPIRITUAL than non-Christian guys along with their visual attraction characteristic, Nina!!! :glow:
Guys I see you wrestling with why the naked body induces sinful thoughts. Here is my take on it: The naked body does not produce sinful thoughts. Rather it is the amount of skin shown and how it is presented realitve to the ' norm' that causes thoughts of lust. To be more precise it is when a woman presents herself as looking for a man to service her. If everyone was always naked women would have to find other ways to turn on a man.
