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Posted : 1 Nov, 2009 07:23 PM

Gay marriage.

What do you think

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Posted : 4 Nov, 2009 03:24 PM

I will have to go with Walter.Gays should not get to adapt children.It is just so wrong.Married couples wait for years and sometimes never get a kid.Why should gays get special favor?

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Posted : 4 Nov, 2009 04:42 PM

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:



John 15:12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.



John 15:17

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

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Posted : 5 Nov, 2009 11:44 AM

This issue is not about "Loving one another" per say, but about exposing homosexuality for what it is and what God thinks about. It is simply shinning the light into the darkness. It is not hateful, it is calling sin for what it is.. sin. An affront to God and nature. If we don't tell people what sin is and it's consequences and expose it then we are not showing them love. This is not being judgmental or judging anyone for God already has judged what is sin. God has already judged homosexuality as sin, an abomination.

If we do not speak God's truth on this matter and just try to do a Joel Olsteen and sugar coat it then we do people a disservice. Nobody, including Homosexuals have any hope unless they repent of their sins and turn to Jesus. We have to present the Gospel to them. A Gospel that is not watered down. A Gospel that speaks the truth, in love yes, but the truth nevertheless. In the Gospel it tells us what sin is and the deadly consequences of it. Do we just go up to a homosexual and say "Jesus loves you" pat them on the back and walk away? OR... do we tell them Jesus loves you and died for you so that you can be free from sin and if you repent and turn to Christ Jesus and place your faith in Him and be Baptized then you will be saved. But if you do not, then you will be condemned for all eternity in the Lake of Fire?

If we do not warn people of the consequences of their "choices" then we are not showing them real love!

Blessings!

In Christ,

Walter

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Posted : 5 Nov, 2009 03:05 PM

Blocking someone from sin will not change their life. They need to be converted.



The reason homosexual behavior is bad, is that it changes society.



God said the homosexuals should be killed. The bad kings allowed it to prosper, the good kings killed them all.



Sigmon Freud said all men are created homosexual and need to make a moral decision not to be.



The ManBlove group says if they get to a boy before age 14 they will win.



Shalom



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Posted : 5 Nov, 2009 06:28 PM

I believe this topic is especially about Loving One Another. A sin is a sin, none of us are without sin. The Bible doesn't say judge not, except the homosexuals. We are to love one another as it's said in the scriptures I presented. There are no exceptions. I'd much rather be a shining light than to point out anyone's darkness. If you want to call that sugar coating it, then so be it. God created each of us different for His reasons. We just have a difference of opinion; I still love ya!! :)

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Posted : 5 Nov, 2009 08:06 PM

dear dr. phyllis, you know i love you girl..

but i must tell you that speaking out against homosexuals is no different than speaking out about people who get abortions or give them.. or any other sin.. it really is just speaking out about sin and a sinful lifestyle.



and if we let homosexuals to adopt children then we are really saying to that child that GOD says its ok for them to live in such a fashion.. when HE really doesnt. we are sayin to that child hey its ok for you to be like this too.. and do as they do..



romans 1:24-32 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.



28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.



pay particular attention to verse 32 and you will see that not only those who practice the sins mentioned but yet even those who approve of those who practice said sins ,well its puts you in the same boat as them.. so surely we are not to approve of said actions.. therefore we cannot condone their choice in any way.. and by giving them the right to marry and the right to adopt a child we would be condoning said actions..

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Posted : 5 Nov, 2009 08:24 PM

I had a little argument with a lead operator (Rich) at work, somewhat in regards to this.

He is not Christian. But I was telling him how another coworker who is Christian, went to the strip club, then church right after.

Now.. he had this all planned out and was telling a few people what he was doing Friday night. He said he was going to the strip club, then church..

I told Rich that it was a hypocritical act. And his response was.. "But the Bible says, thou shalt not judge."



I talked with my pastor about this, and this is what he said to me.

"If someone says that to me, I'll ask them to study the bible a little more before they make a statement like that. Judging is making a judgment, as in.. you did this, so your going to hell. Or you hurt me, so I'm going to hurt you. You CAN call out sin, it's not judging, because in a case they might not know what they did is wrong or sinful."

Now that's not verbatim, but pretty much sums up what he said.

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Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 12:20 PM

Ok, I feel like I need to splain myself and my opinions a little better so yall don't think I'm going to hell...;)



I do not condone homosexuality; it is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!



Perhaps if I knew a homosexual (worked with him/her, had a friend of a friend, etc) and got to know them sortof well, I would witness to them in a loving way after they had gotten to know me enough to know that I'm saying those things out of love not hate.



If I see two men holding hands walking down the street, I'm not going to confront them and tell them they're going to hell if they don't repent. They'd probably have a warped idea of being a Christian as a bunch of judgemental crazies.



My perfect idea (as I'm nonconfrontational) would be that a homosexual would come to me and ask me about God. (Like a moth to a flame)



I came up in a bad household; alot of sinning going on around me, but God blessed me with the knowledge that it was wrong, so I have not led that sortof lifestyle. That is why my jury is still out on homosexual adoption. There aren't enough heterosexual couples adopting children.



I understand all of the posts here and I don't neccessarily disagree with yall, just that I would go about it differently. Although I've never committed homosexual acts, I have commited some of the sins mentioned and I know God has forgiven me. I'd like to ask a serious question, I'm not being smart or sarcastic or anything like that: Do yall think homosexuals can be forgiven? What about homosexuals that have been in heterosexual relationships and have children as a result? Should they be taken away?



With a humble heart,



T

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Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 12:25 PM

dear ky, i believe any sin can be forgiven ,cept the blasphamy of the HOLY SPIRIT..

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Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 12:47 PM

Thanks Cattle......



Do you still think I'm going to hell?



:prayingm: (please say no, please say no, please say no!)

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