Does anyone believe, or even harder, practice this (abstinence) anymore? I feel like I'm alone in this. A few men in this website have connected with me simply to ask "are you for real?" Ummm. Yeah, I am.
I think you're the one who needs to provide scripture.
"#1 is there is no such thing as "pre-martial sex" in God's eyes because when a man and a woman lay down together they are judged either as husband and wife or as a prostitute with a customer. If you are judged as husband and wife you need to make it work with or without the piece of paper that says you are married. If the relationship fails, 9 times out of 10 the man takes the greater responsibility before God."
Provide scripture supporting that claim and I would understand your post a lot better.
"Provide scripture supporting that claim and I would understand your post a lot better."
I say........
I wish you had come across this way the first time around and things between us would have gotten off to a much better start
Anyway:
Us understanding how the importance of marriage goes much further than a piece of paper can be seen in the very first marriage in the Bible between Adam and Eve when Adam said how the two of them becoming one flesh together defined them to be husband and wife. If there is anything left to the imagination of what �two becoming one flesh� means we have to go no further than to the founding fathers, and with what happened in private for Isaac and Rebecca to be considered husband and wife.
Genesis 24:67
And ISAAC BROUGHT HER INTO HIS MOTHER SARAH'S TENT, AND TOOK REBEKAH, AND SHE BECAME HIS WIFE; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death
Unless we have to clarify that there were not a priest nor justice of the peace in the tent with them it should not leave much to the imagination what it took for Rebecca to be considered Isaacs wife. Amen? I hope so!
In regard to the sin of fornication, search the Scriptures for yourself and you will see that when the Israelites were accused of fornication it was because of they're intermingling and giving and taking of sons and daughters from pagan persons. Something God had explicitly forbidden.
This should not be lost on us and Christians have absolutely no business taking on an unbeliever for a spouse. Paul addresses the subject in the New Testament but when you have an unbelieving couple and one becomes a believer, the believer is not to depart the unbeliever with the hope that the believer will have a positive influence on the unbeliever. (1Cor.7:10-15)
On the other hand because unbelievers are not expected to be able to live up to the standards associated with the laws of God Paul said, �should the unbeliever depart let them go and the believer is not bound by any law�. (my paraphrase)
1 Corinthians 7:15
But IF THE UNBELIEVING DEPART, LET HIM DEPART. A BROTHER OR A SISTER IS NOT UNDER BONDAGE IN SUCH CASES: but God hath called us to peace.
So why does Paul use the word bondage? Bondage is a reference the legal position a husband and wife are in because it is a blood covenant. Covenants with God were enacted with blood starting in the very beginning and then later explained fully in the law.
How the marriage became a blood covenant between a man and a woman was because the woman was supposed to be a virgin. Therefore the first time the �two became one flesh,� the woman being a virgin woman would bleed upon the man that sealed the two of them in a blood covenant that was supposed to be for �until death do them part�.
However, by the time the Jews are in the wilderness their hearts have become hardened both to God and to each other refusing to forgive each other of sins. Consequently, to keep the peace amongst the Jews, within the law there was provision made for divorce.
We know this from the words of Jesus.
Matthew 19: 7 They say unto him, WHY DID MOSES THEN COMMAND TO GIVE A WRITING OF DIVORCEMENT, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses BECAUSE OF THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEARTS SUFFERED YOU TO PUT AWAY YOUR WIVES: BUT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS NOT SO.
9 And I say unto you, WHOSOEVER SHALL PUT AWAY HIS WIFE, EXCEPT IT BE FOR FORNICATION, AND SHALL MARRY ANOTHER, COMMITTETH ADULTERY: AND WHOSO MARRIETH HER WHICH IS PUT AWAY DOTH COMMIT ADULTERY.
I have highlighted the last verse where the words fornication and adultery appear together to point out another error in the doctrines of the church.
As I said earlier fornication has to do with worshiping other gods, consequently, the only acceptable reason for divorce before the change in the law �because of the hardness of their hearts� because they were unable to forgive each other, a way was provided for divorce. Before then they were expected to forgive a wife for adultery but not for her disobedience and resulting uncleanliness from worshiping a pagan god.
Consequently, if a husband booted his wife out of the tent because she had sex with someone else and then the man took on another woman for a wife, he was charged with adultery because he was still legally in a �until death do them part," blood covenant with his wife despite the fact that she had committed infidelity. For the same reason because she was still in a blood covenant with her husband, (despite the fact she cheated on him) if she slept with someone else then the both of them were committing adultery.
There is little worse that can happen to a marriage other than when one of the two commits infidelity. However, if Christ is truly in a person they should be able to forgive their spouse the same way Christ forgives us. (Because when we commit a sin we are in fact committing infidelity in our relationship with the holiness of Christ because we are in a blood covenant with God through the Blood of Jesus.)
Christian husbands are quick to say how their wives are supposed to submit to them, but them forgiving their wives for infidelity the way Christ forgives us for any sin repented of is out of the question. Then they have the audacity to say how they will lay their life down for their wives when they will not even forgive them? What an insult to God�s Law and to Jesus who gave His life so all of us could be forgiven no matter what
What Christian men do not understand is that the laws of God are designed to protect women and consequently are much harder on men. The Laws of God are so much harder on men that after hearing from Jesus how God truly felt about men should always forgive their wives instead of divorcing them, the disciples are quoted to have said.........
Matthew 19:10.......... IF THE CASE OF THE MAN BE SO WITH HIS WIFE, IT IS NOT GOOD TO MARRY.
Consider this if you would please; God told the prophet Hosea to take a prostitute for his wife and then after she had become unfaithful to him God told Hosea he as to take her back.
This is what a man being willing to lay down his life for his wife is truly all about. For such a man a Christian woman should be willing to submit herself to her husband. If neither one can fulfill that God expects of them they should not marry because the scriptures are God�s Word and are His instructions for us to live by.
Within the Bible woman are considered the weaker vessel and are given much more slack than men are. However, this does not excuse us from our responsibility to God and to any woman we choose to take for a wife.
Like I said before, there is no such thing as premarital sex in God's eyes. When a man and woman go to bed together God either considers them either husband and wife or a prostitute with a customer. Therefore, my word to the men here at CDFF is; go to bed with a woman and God considers you married to her until death separates the two of you.
Sure! And very proud of it, too. Abstnence until marriage is a virtue. I was brought up to respect my body as the temple of the Holy Spirit. Virginity is the priceless gift to a spouse.
We do not live in an island of our own nor are we removed from the daily temptations and pressures to please those we love.
It is a deliberate sacrificial chioce to live a life pleasing to God rather than man. To wait till the right time comes.......times and seasons are in God's hands. You loose friends, and at times people you love.
God takes the woman who waits upon Him in faithfulness and makes her a prudent wife to a man who has been waiting upon God faithfully to get a chance to love the wife as Christ loved the Church and died for her. Abstinence is a choice, with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Who is a prudent wife? I sure pray and live a life worthy of one day becoming a prudent wife to my God given hubby. Abstinence is a lifestyle many more men and women ought to appreciate and live...........i do, by choice :applause:
I've come to realize that's what the term 'dating' means for many. Because I am a Believer I have aimed to change the way I 'date'. I will NOT date a man at all. We can go out, enjoy a dinner, a movie etc. But the only man I will date is MY HUSBAND. These days Christians and (non) see nothing wrong with a casual sexual relationship - Well its a SIN. The bible clearly shows us that when you have sex with a man or woman you are by default making that man/woman your husband or wife. Read the story of the Samaritan woman Jesus meets at the well. She had 5 husbands and the one she was with was NOT 'her husband'. John 4 1-26
People who have engaged in sexual relationships with a man or woman wonders why is it so hard to stop this sin and let this behavior go - it's a SOUL TIE! What is the act that consummates a marriage ? - signing a piece of paper, walking down an aisle?..uhmm hardly. Be Blessed and STAND YOUR GROUND( the Holy Spirit will EMPOWER YOU). The man/woman God has for you would be HONORED you have chosen to wait til marriage. Not to mention God is THRILLED and it produces a life of PEACE!:yay:
I'm a 23 year old girl who believes in staying pure until marriage. Why? Well, why not. It is my body, it is my life. Yes, every date I have gone on well when the man asks about this topic at hand I'm honest. I tell them I want to wait till marriage. Well, I never hear from them again. I don't take it to heart I just keep going down the path God has chosen for me. I know the right man will come along that will want to wait with me.
