Your question is why do people reject a positive message? Why do they reject positive message and respond with negitivity toward it.
The answer is in the very beginning with the fall of man. It is the original lie.
That we can be like god knowing good from evil. Adam and Eve were created in the most positive enviroment and related with the most positive being, right?
You see this was no mistake on Gods part that men fell into sin and rejected Him, It is only in freewill do we find the fulfillment of Gods love toward us.
People respond negitively because they are feewill agents. They are free to think differently and they do as evidenced here, right?
The true communiun and fellowship only comes when we die to our own thoughts in repentence and allow the spirit of God to transform our minds.
We find oneness in God and oneness with others. It takes maturity to allow Gods Spirit to rule our minds and hearts as we surrender our motives before God.
Ultimatly all of our motives whether we admit it or not is controll. Our motive to be god is what drives our fallen sinfilled nature.
Our motive to controll is the root behind divorce and seperation. behind abuse. Behind all sort of isolation and rejection.
Know that no amount of positive communication will ever get everyone to like us. Beside if our motives is to be liked then we are not following Christ because He tells us if they hated me they will hate you also, or us.
So the evidence that I am hated by people tells me that I am walking the path Christ has for me. If i was liked by everyone then I would have reason for concern.
Also if I am hated by everyone I have reason for concern as well. Because some will repond well and some will not to the message of the gospel. We are the gospel if Christs lives in us.
Now I really wonder if in my little mind i'll ever be able to comprehend the impact & after effect of what of happened at Eden after the fall of men. Seems like any current human fault manifests the outcome of what took place back then.
Thank you so much guys for both your ideas in helping me understand where this human behavior's coming from. Both replies are loaded with God's wisdom & revelations.
What I noted from your reply when saying "humans are freewill agents" Is that the apostle Paul saw this from a distance, hense in 1 Corinth 9 he surrenders he's freewill to slavery in Christ. He could have decided otherwise about submiting to God's calling for our sake (the gentails)
And he's decision would have been respected by God (since He forces no one but rather prefares' a sevent with willing attitude) & maybe with other altinatives made for our sake, when penalty would have been awaiting him,
Since in verse12 he says "Woe to me if I don't preach the gospel." What amazes me here is that our freewill seem to always manifests in opposit with God's will & plans for our lives, we just never inline with what He has instore for us. To others from the qoeted verses took Him to be a little Hush to get them coparating.
Thank you dear!
Think we should just have a bible study cause this feels exactly like one.
You like a bible study teacher I never had, planning on making good use of you while still available in the forum. There's so many verses I don't understand yet & current issues of life that I somehow wonder how do they relate to the bible, since its more of a manual on how we should condact our day to day lifestyle.
Took longer to get back to you, Sundays are more hectic than any other day of the week.
You too take as much time as you need in posting back please, i'll wait patiently since at times you could be focused on your personal bible studies, while i'll be causing you to deviate from them.
Do expect posted question from me every now & then. (can't emphasis enough how much i'll be bothering you)
All wisdom is from above and comes down from the Father of lights in whom is no shaddow of turning. We all children of God have unlimited acess to Gods wisdom and when we ask He gives liberally.
Speaking of liberal. This is the liberal we like , right. Also the liberal expression of Gods love. In some ways we can say that our God is very liberal isnt He?
I personally dont have the corner on wisdom but I do love sharing what wisdom God has given me and that I paid such a price in my suffering to get.
Now i'm talking to you in a level that I know you'll relate & understand as a father.
"I love you sis...."
You meant well hey?
Those three familiar words got me messed up all day. I'm amazed how one is subjected to the father. Only heard a fatherly voice speaking forth as reading through.
Could just run to my father so he say those words & fill this void.
For the very first time I couldn't dismiss the feeling of emptyness. When such moments come along, I quickly run to my shell of safety, i'd never let them get the best of me. But today it was totaly different.
Mediting on wemans' forum topics, how ambitious one is, success & all sorts of weman empowerment just didn't do the trick like I always expect. Suppose i'm being tested on my previous post this morning about acknowledging my brokeness instead of denying it.
Amazing hey....?
Amazing how sudden do the familiar words that I hear & say back to a friends, just got me taken back to unresolved issues of the past.
This forum gets more & more personal with me.
Am I hear for a reason.... I wonder...?
Is this part of healing... I really wonder?
Is someone given strength to carry on through me, since the bible says "My struggles are common with other fellows" I really wonder.
Our conversation never ends, one line leads to onother subject. This is a new topic on its own....
Much blessings to you for the friend that you are!
Their is a greater Father daughter relationship that does not compare to a earthly one. God promises that He will be father to the fatherless. He is your father and daddy and Aba.
You are going to experience such love from Him that no earthly father could give. The reality that your earthly father abandoned you emotionlly opens you up to a greater satisfaction of love from Heavenly Daddy. Youll see........
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
James 3:13-18 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Talking from our previous conversation when you posted "Who's willing...." referring to guys (was taken back to that conversation before typing this. You said "I was an empty man trying to make people love me only to bring hurt & suffering to them. I was too afraid to be vaulnerable because I was hurt so deeply"
Having gone through that post right now i'm picking a reaction for an action that took place & was never dealt with. You were brought up in that environment (keeping in mind that we are products of our past, until Christ comes forth & turn our wounds into a testimony)
You didn't know any better hense you manifested the same hebits that your father did to you. Think that might be the case with my father too, could be anguish from the past, emptyness & a cry for love that causes him to behave like this.
Onother thing that could make matters worst is pride (the mornal mans' pride) of seeking help. Guys would rather bottle things up as if all is well than asking for help.
I'm really glad that we've talked about this, I now understand one or two things that influences one to behave like this, when you shared your experiences with such selflessness. Have no idea how much i'm learning from you.
I'm now overwhelmed with compassion than anger towards him. I really really wish there were forums of "Saving a MALES seed" cause if such issues are not dealt with, this. chain will keep continueing. Not only referring to abuse, its quite a broader issue of chains dominating our lives in the body of Christ. I'm really concerned about the disfunctions taking place in churches, when we are the hope of giving answers to the world.
It really bothers me when elderly ladies in the church, some from leadership, keep warning us not to even consider marrying fellow brothers from the church.. When they share they're experiences, its chocking that we're moving forth with such wounds & bitterness yet we preach life inubandance.
It has been a sensitive subject I must say. I opened up about sensitive issues of my background. I'm glad I was talking to a grown up, who lives in a real world, not only qoating verses as if that is all about salvation,
But rather bringing & relating God's word with issues of life.
I've never had such a friend even in real life. Thank you for listening, understanding, relating, sharing your personal stuffs & above all sharing your deep understanding of God's word & revalations. You make me feel normal when talking about such stuff. If only one person relates, then its a normal thing that happened to other people too.
Oh again.... The passsge about God being Aba in Romans, thank you,
"Having gone through that post right now i'm picking a reaction for an action that took place & was never dealt with. You were brought up in that environment (keeping in mind that we are products of our past, until Christ comes forth & turn our wounds into a testimony)
You didn't know any better hense you manifested the same hebits that your father did to you. Think that might be the case with my father too, could be anguish from the past, emptyness & a cry for love that causes him to behave like this. "
Yes beloved one, I know this and thankyou for your supportive words to me.
The thing is. When genuine repentence happens then one hates their sin. My sin is not me. I do not hate my self.
You see for me to now have love for those I have hurt in my past I have to hate the thing that was the cause of their hurt. I have to grieve over the suffering caused to them by me. I have to try making things right by my confession to them and asking for forgiveness.
Not saying that I will be recieved of even expecting to be recieved. Not saying that the relationship will change in any way either.
Because we choose those who are like us. It is not opposits that attract but like attracts like. She too was abused and she too was an abuser of both me and our daughter.
I broke the chain of abuse between me and my daughter due to a father love in heaven of me. Probally because I was not looking to my daughter to fulfill anything in my life. Whe we look for our fulfillment in an unhealthy manner we are in a place to abuse another.
Praise God that the strain of abuse to another has stopped but their is still one abuser of me that I am working to understand his abuse.
My abuse of self. I have come to realise that even thought I hate my abuse of others and I dont permit others to abuse me anylonger. I am still an abuser of my own person. I trust God will bring this to an end as He has brought to and end the abuse of others.
You see we are helpless tto make and change in our lives only as we surrender to Christ and are honest with Him do we have the potential to be made new.
We dont even have controll over our honesty because we are all blind leading the blind. We can only humble our selves under the mighty hand of God that He will lift us up in due time, beloved.
Whe we come to this realisation then we can truly have peace with self and peace with others.
This is even deeper than I would ever thought. Since it affects us in choosing people that are supposed to be our life time partners. It is true indeed when they say "careful of those around you, their energies with rub on you" it really is unfortunate when it comes to family, cause we don't chose to be sturk with those people, even when one sees that its not a healthy environment for a normal person to live in (one may even move out) the blood relationship is endless, unlike with friends that you may wake up one morning & decide otherwise about them.
"Its not the opposit that attracts but rather the like attracts the like"
Its amazing that we attract people who reflact us without even knowing this. Then there's such need for deliverance, cause it seems that abuse robs' one of his/her true charector, you eventually turn to what it molds you to be, as if that's not bad enough, you stand to attract or be attracted to a person of the same energies. Now can you emagen the volume of abuse in combination of these two individuals?
One more things that really got me thinking, when saying "You're the abuser of your self..."
An old friend of mine has said this to me "you're harder on your self when failing to get something done right. Its like there's no room of failer in your life But when you've mastered something, you carry on as if nothing happened. Would have been better if you'd reward yourself for something done right, knowing how you would have been harder on your self if you would have failed"
(I know this one is far fatched, doesn't even sound relevent) i'm just trying to figure out if I have been abusing myself in anyway that I was not awear of. The self pressure to make it in life (Its not a bad thing at all) though the obsession about it, not very sure right now if the motive behind is genuine.
Or its more of showing off that I can make it without a father's support (then in the proccess being harder on my self in a sence that I'm not even awear its self abuse)
Suppose i'm now left with self assignments & self discovery.
I love talking things through rather than dismissing. See how communicating has unpacked this? How little did I know about the after effects. Talking really is a therapy. This has turned to a healthest councilling session I could ever have.
Your level of matuarity is amazing.
May God never cease to shower you with He's wisdom.
