Author	Thread: Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
really_54 View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 2 Feb, 2012 11:28 PM Thanks to a question about divorce and remarriage posted on another thread, I felt the need to address those on this site who may be suffering from the weight of guilt and condemnation heaped on them because of their reasons for divorce. I wrote the following article, "The Stone Thrower", based on actual instances that happened on this site. If you are one of those who have been ostracized by others for having an "Unbiblical Divorce," please take the time to read. May it minister to your heart. The Stone Thrower I want to touch on a subject today that has long been regarded in Christendom as taboo . . . and that is . . . DIVORCE. Mention that word around some Christians and their hackles suddenly go up on the back of their neck. They pull out their proverbial stones ready to put to death anyone who they think has been un-biblically divorced. And to my shame, I was one of them�a stone thrower. We all know the story of the woman caught in adultery in John 8:3-11. The scribes and Pharisees (the religious self-righteous) had arrested this woman and dragged her before Jesus. One has to wonder how these Pharisees caught such a woman "in the very act" of adultery. How convenient for them. It's amazing the depths of depravity the self-righteous will sink to in order to defend their religious arguments. Did they have the paparazzi spy on her to get some juicy pictures for the whole world to see? At any rate, they dragged this poor woman in front of Jesus and proudly proclaimed, "Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?" (John 8:5) Zowie!! These men can quote the Word of God . . . at least the parts that suit their fancy. I like our Lord's reaction. "But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear" (John 8:6b). Don't you just love it when someone ignores you . . . especially when you're trying to win an argument? But the self-righteous rarely lie down without a fight, and those religious Pharisees were determined to prove that they had the "truth." So they continued pestering Jesus, knowing that the Law of Moses was on their side. It's not a good idea to pester Jesus, especially when it comes to "pointing a finger" at someone. "So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.' And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst" (John 8:7-9). This introductory story of the woman caught in adultery has a purpose: I wanted you to have a glimpse of the mentality of a "stone thrower." They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. Ouch . . . I just described me. I had a clear cut answer for the reasons one might give to justify divorce which I thought was quite Biblical. And in my mind, there was only one reason . . . "But I say to you, that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except for sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 5:32). There you have it�plain and simple. Who could argue with such a statement? It is the Word of God! I thought I had the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . . . yet the truth is . . . I was ignorant of the ways of God. "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13). And it was in my ignorance to God's ways that I threw stones at the divorced ladies on a Christian dating site some time ago. As a widower, I was on this site looking for a prospective wife. I was so appalled at the amount of women who were divorced on this site whose reasons for separating from their husbands did not match my view of scripture. In order to protect myself from these "contaminated souls," I purposely wrote something in my profile for those that I would consider as wife material: "You may be single, widowed, or divorced (must be for Biblical reasons only)." When I would communicate with these divorced ladies, I would immediately ask them to provide details on the reason for their divorce. If they could not give me an answer of infidelity as the reason for their divorce, then I considered them unmarriageable. Yet God has a way of grabbing His child's attention when that child is in error. One of the ladies on this dating site told me her story of divorce after I demanded it. Her husband was deep in bondage to pornography and had no interest whatsoever in repentance. The man had not physically hopped into bed with another woman, and so in my self-righteousness, I condemned the poor wife for wanting to opt out on the marriage. And the "stones" that I threw created fresh wounds in her heart while she recounted those painful memories of her husband's infidelity as he lusted after porn. According to Jesus' own words, her husband WAS GUILTY of adultery: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). I ignored that scripture and concentrated only on Matthew 5:32. She lashed out at me, saying that she was glad Jesus did not condemn her even if I did. I have to admit, I was shaken by her story which moved me to tears. Then there was another lady whom I demanded to give an account for her divorce. I threw "stones" at her as well when she could not give me a reason of infidelity for her separation. In bitter anger, she struck back at me, stating how her husband had broken her nose and physically abused her. I ignored the scripture which reads, "But God has called us to peace" (1 Corinthians 7:15b) and concentrated again on Matthew 5:32. However, her story bothered me very much just like the other woman's. I began to seek God earnestly. These were only two of the many ladies who shared with me their heartbreaking stories of divorce. There were so many reasons given for divorce and none of them fell under sexual immorality (fornication) as I saw it. I sincerely asked the Lord to open my eyes. Was there any scriptural evidence to support these women's choices to opt out of a marriage other than infidelity? Yes, there was. God led me to Matthew 19:3-12. The Pharisees were looking for a reason to trap Jesus in His words. Their previous scheme had not worked with the woman caught in adultery. However, if they could just get Jesus to say something contradictory to the Law of Moses, then they could brand Him as a heretic. So they asked Jesus this question, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" (Matthew 19:3b) Jesus' answer was, and still is, God's original intention for marriage: "Have you not read . . . the two shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:5b-6). The Pharisees did not like His answer. For Jesus had taken them right back to Genesis before there ever was a Moses or a Law of Moses so that they could hear what GOD SAYS about marriage. Yet the stiff-necked Pharisees persisted with another question: "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" (Matthew 19:7) Jesus responds, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:8). The self-righteous Pharisees were using the Law of Moses as an excuse to bail out on marriages for any flippant reason. And because of this, the Lord had some very strong words for them. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 19:9). I can just hear the stone throwers shouting, "See, I told you . . . it's right there in the word . . . 'sexual immorality!'" Wait a minute. Like Paul Harvey, let's hear "the rest of the story" before jumping to any conclusions. After verse 9 comes verse 10. Even Jesus' disciples, which would include us, were amazed at the words of Jesus. "His disciples said to Him, 'If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry'" (Matthew 19:10). Yeah, I can see their point. If sexual immorality (fornication) is the only reason for divorce, then perhaps we are better off not getting married. But look at Jesus' response to his own disciples in verse 11. It stands to reason that if the disciples' statement was true, then Jesus would have said something to affirm it as such. He does not! "But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11). What saying? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Now notice that Jesus goes on to explain what He meant with the following verse: "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it" (Matthew 19:12). What did Jesus mean by this? He tells us that three different men all became eunuchs for different reasons. One was born a eunuch, another was made a eunuch by men, and still another made himself that way for the kingdom of heaven. They all became eunuchs for different reasons, but who is to say which eunuch is "God approved"? God accepted them all. That's the point! Likewise, there are many reasons someone might seek a divorce: physical and verbal abuse from a spouse . . . being married to an unbeliever who makes life a literal hell . . . marital unfaithfulness . . . the stress of being married to an alcoholic for 23 years . . . or living with a pornographer who refuses to repent. Which one of these reasons for divorce is "God approved"? That's the point Jesus was making. Just as the eunuchs were acceptable to God regardless of how they became a eunuch, so also is a woman acceptable to God who seeks to be free from an abusive husband, even if infidelity is not involved. You and I cannot see in the heart of that abused person . . . but God can. For God has called them to peace. And the church has done more harm counselling emotionally and physically battered women to stay in a relationship citing Matthew 5:32 "except for sexual immorality" as the only just cause for divorce. Women have actually committed suicide and murder under the stress of remaining in an abusive situation because their legalistic church counseled them to do so. You may have heard of the case in the U.S. where a lady killed her husband (a pastor) who had been abusing her for years. God had called her to peace . . . but she never knew it, and one day she snapped. The evidence of abuse was so overwhelming that the courts found this woman not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. I certainly do not want to imply that people should take their marriage so lightly as to divorce for every whim and fancy. I would not condone that, and neither does the Word of God. Every marriage will have its share of problems which can be worked out with God's help by two committed individuals. Yet there are some women, especially those suffering physical and mental abuse, who have reached the tipping point of no return; and the only thing they can do to preserve their sanity is to get out of that marriage. And ultimately, it is to the Lord they answer to, not you or me. He has called them to peace. After God opened my eyes to the truth of scripture, I contacted those ladies on the dating site who I had thrown "stones" at and apologized profusely. I was truly grieved that I had been so self-righteous and blind, wounding those precious sisters for whom Christ died. Now back to the story that I began with. The "stone throwers" had already dropped their rocks and left the scene with a guilty conscience, leaving Jesus alone with the adulterous woman. "He said to her, 'Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?'" "She said, 'No one, Lord.'" "And Jesus said to her, 'Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more'" (John 8:10b-11). HALLELUJAH�MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGMENT!!! Blessings in Christ Jesus, Paul Janz (All Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New King James Version.) "The Stone Thrower" Copyright � 2010 by Paul Janz. Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 25 Jun, 2014 09:51 PM Yeah>..Well that's only if they repent and are still in Messiah. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. 1 Samuel 15:23 It cost Saul his kingship and maybe even his salvation from other passages. It will cost the rebellious woman the same. It will also cost the rebellious man. Being an Idol worshiper is to be the same as an adulterer. The lukewarm believers Messiah will spit out of his body... So much for the adulterers and adulteresses....... Post Reply
really_54 View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 26 Jun, 2014 06:25 AM Singer, your words, "only if they repent and are still in Messiah", are NOT in the commands that God has given to husbands. Read them again: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25). Jesus laid down His life for us, though we, as unbelievers, did not love Him. We did not deserve such love, but God loved us anyways despite our rebelliousness to His ways. That is how we are to love our wives. Whether they are submissive or rebellious, God commands the man to love his wife the same way as Christ loved us. The Bible also says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them" (Colossians 3:19). It is easy for a man to be bitter towards his wife. I understand where you are coming from. But God commands us not to be bitter toward them. If we husbands would seek to be gentle like Christ, I do not believe we would be hearing as many complaints about unsubmissive wives. Blessings, Paul Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 30 Jun, 2014 07:57 PM I know where your coming from and it's true in context when the wife has a heart toward Yahweh and wants the truth. Yet I have seen those who don't want it and even said out of their own mouths that they didn't care for the truth nor the warnings on adultery etc. They were led away by their lusts for another man not because the husband wasn't bitter toward her. He may have been bitter toward her for doing adultery I would be too and A DIVORCE DECREE SHE WOULD GET AS MESSIAH SAID THE HUSBAND CAN DO IN MATTHEW 19. LOT'S WIFE DIDN'T GET A 2ND CHANCE. NEITHER DID JEZEBEL in Revelation chapter 2. Reprobates exist and why they're mentioned in the bible. I have never seen an adulteress come back and never do it again in ministry experience. I know it's possible it's in the word and I have heard from others of it happening but not in all the failed marriages I've seen and even counseled as well as other pastors and such helping counsel. A hardened heart toward Yahweh will take someone very far away.... Yet a man should not be bitter toward his wife and not forgive when she repents for whatever adverse reason and yes he should restore her through communication lovingly yes..... Post Reply
really_54 View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 1 Jul, 2014 09:37 AM Singer, you continue to defend yourself and others while ignoring God's command to husbands. We are not talking about Jezebel or Lot's wife here, but God's command to husbands: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25). Jesus laid down His life for us, though we, as unbelievers, did not love Him. We did not deserve such love, but God loved us anyways despite our rebelliousness to His ways. That is how we are to love our wives. Whether they are submissive or rebellious, God commands the man to love his wife the same way as Christ loved us. The Bible also says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them" (Colossians 3:19). It is easy for a man to be bitter towards his wife. I understand where you are coming from. But God commands us not to be bitter toward them. If we husbands would seek to be gentle like Christ, I do not believe we would be hearing as many complaints about unsubmissive wives. Blessings, Paul Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 2 Jul, 2014 11:45 PM Not ignoring his commands at all. I'm also considering his commands in Matthew 19 and saying they should be acted upon. My advice is in light of His. Divorce the sexually unfaithful woman.Move on and go get a faithful one who loves Yahweh by her actions being faithful. Don't waste your time with a cheater. A cheater is always a repeater LOL. Husbands don't be bitter with your wives and work things out unless your bitter for her adultery. Get rid of her and the bitterness will pass away just as her breeze heading out the door as she goes to live for the devil as most ultimately do! Sad but true... Post Reply
really_54 View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 3 Jul, 2014 04:29 PM Singer, you continue to defend yourself and others while ignoring God's command to husbands. We are not talking about Jezebel or Lot's wife here, but God's command to husbands: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25). Jesus laid down His life for us, though we, as unbelievers, did not love Him. We did not deserve such love, but God loved us anyways despite our rebelliousness to His ways. That is how we are to love our wives. Whether they are submissive or rebellious, God commands the man to love his wife the same way as Christ loved us. The Bible also says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them" (Colossians 3:19). It is easy for a man to be bitter towards his wife. I understand where you are coming from. But God commands us not to be bitter toward them. If we husbands would seek to be gentle like Christ, I do not believe we would be hearing as many complaints about unsubmissive wives. Blessings, Paul Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 8 Jul, 2014 11:03 PM Sorry that you can see that in Matthew 19 the same one who told husbands to love their wives also said in Matthew 19 that they could remarry if their mate was sexually unfaithful and He wouldn't count it as adultery.... There's balance between His commands not a provision for a wayward wife under the bitter clause ! Messiah Himself was bitter about adultery even in the heart and warned of the guilty being in danger of hell.... How much more one doing it physically even willfully despite. I'm not defending my position I'm standing on Messiah's position as well as his provision !!!Keep all his words in actual context and actual application .... Don't take away or add to his words or build a complete doctrine out of one verse as you're doing...... !!! Post Reply
really_54 View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2014 09:31 PM Singer, you continue to defend yourself and others while ignoring God's command to husbands. We are not talking about Jezebel or Lot's wife here, but God's command to husbands: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25). Jesus laid down His life for us, though we, as unbelievers, did not love Him. We did not deserve such love, but God loved us anyways despite our rebelliousness to His ways. That is how we are to love our wives. Whether they are submissive or rebellious, God commands the man to love his wife the same way as Christ loved us. The Bible also says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them" (Colossians 3:19). It is easy for a man to be bitter towards his wife. I understand where you are coming from. But God commands us not to be bitter toward them. If we husbands would seek to be gentle like Christ, I do not believe we would be hearing as many complaints about unsubmissive wives. Blessings, Paul Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 25 Aug, 2014 03:33 AM ananias and saphira. part of the church. he killed them. now repeat that scripture about loving them the way he loves the church!:zzzz: Post Reply
really_54 View Profile History	Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ? Posted : 25 Aug, 2014 07:16 AM Biglion 44, you continue to defend yourself and others while ignoring God's command to husbands. We are not talking about Jezebel or Lot's wife here, or Ananias and Sapphira, but God's command to husbands: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25). Jesus laid down His life for us, though we, as unbelievers, did not love Him. We did not deserve such love, but God loved us anyways despite our rebelliousness to His ways. That is how we are to love our wives. Whether they are submissive or rebellious, God commands the man to love his wife the same way as Christ loved us. The Bible also says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them" (Colossians 3:19). It is easy for a man to be bitter towards his wife. I understand where you are coming from. But God commands us not to be bitter toward them. If we husbands would seek to be gentle like Christ, I do not believe we would be hearing as many complaints about unsubmissive wives. Blessings, Paul Post Reply

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