Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 2 Feb, 2012 11:28 PM
Thanks to a question about divorce and remarriage posted on another thread, I felt the need to address those on this site who may be suffering from the weight of guilt and condemnation heaped on them because of their reasons for divorce.
I wrote the following article, "The Stone Thrower", based on actual instances that happened on this site. If you are one of those who have been ostracized by others for having an "Unbiblical Divorce," please take the time to read. May it minister to your heart.
The Stone Thrower
I want to touch on a subject today that has long been regarded in Christendom as taboo . . . and that is . . . DIVORCE. Mention that word around some Christians and their hackles suddenly go up on the back of their neck. They pull out their proverbial stones ready to put to death anyone who they think has been un-biblically divorced. And to my shame, I was one of them�a stone thrower.
We all know the story of the woman caught in adultery in John 8:3-11. The scribes and Pharisees (the religious self-righteous) had arrested this woman and dragged her before Jesus. One has to wonder how these Pharisees caught such a woman "in the very act" of adultery. How convenient for them. It's amazing the depths of depravity the self-righteous will sink to in order to defend their religious arguments. Did they have the paparazzi spy on her to get some juicy pictures for the whole world to see?
At any rate, they dragged this poor woman in front of Jesus and proudly proclaimed, "Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?" (John 8:5)
Zowie!! These men can quote the Word of God . . . at least the parts that suit their fancy.
I like our Lord's reaction. "But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear" (John 8:6b).
Don't you just love it when someone ignores you . . . especially when you're trying to win an argument? But the self-righteous rarely lie down without a fight, and those religious Pharisees were determined to prove that they had the "truth." So they continued pestering Jesus, knowing that the Law of Moses was on their side. It's not a good idea to pester Jesus, especially when it comes to "pointing a finger" at someone.
"So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.' And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst" (John 8:7-9).
This introductory story of the woman caught in adultery has a purpose: I wanted you to have a glimpse of the mentality of a "stone thrower." They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. Ouch . . . I just described me.
I had a clear cut answer for the reasons one might give to justify divorce which I thought was quite Biblical. And in my mind, there was only one reason . . . "But I say to you, that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except for sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 5:32). There you have it�plain and simple. Who could argue with such a statement? It is the Word of God! I thought I had the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . . . yet the truth is . . . I was ignorant of the ways of God. "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
And it was in my ignorance to God's ways that I threw stones at the divorced ladies on a Christian dating site some time ago. As a widower, I was on this site looking for a prospective wife. I was so appalled at the amount of women who were divorced on this site whose reasons for separating from their husbands did not match my view of scripture. In order to protect myself from these "contaminated souls," I purposely wrote something in my profile for those that I would consider as wife material: "You may be single, widowed, or divorced (must be for Biblical reasons only)."
When I would communicate with these divorced ladies, I would immediately ask them to provide details on the reason for their divorce. If they could not give me an answer of infidelity as the reason for their divorce, then I considered them unmarriageable. Yet God has a way of grabbing His child's attention when that child is in error.
One of the ladies on this dating site told me her story of divorce after I demanded it. Her husband was deep in bondage to pornography and had no interest whatsoever in repentance. The man had not physically hopped into bed with another woman, and so in my self-righteousness, I condemned the poor wife for wanting to opt out on the marriage. And the "stones" that I threw created fresh wounds in her heart while she recounted those painful memories of her husband's infidelity as he lusted after porn. According to Jesus' own words, her husband WAS GUILTY of adultery: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). I ignored that scripture and concentrated only on Matthew 5:32. She lashed out at me, saying that she was glad Jesus did not condemn her even if I did. I have to admit, I was shaken by her story which moved me to tears.
Then there was another lady whom I demanded to give an account for her divorce. I threw "stones" at her as well when she could not give me a reason of infidelity for her separation. In bitter anger, she struck back at me, stating how her husband had broken her nose and physically abused her. I ignored the scripture which reads, "But God has called us to peace" (1 Corinthians 7:15b) and concentrated again on Matthew 5:32. However, her story bothered me very much just like the other woman's.
I began to seek God earnestly. These were only two of the many ladies who shared with me their heartbreaking stories of divorce. There were so many reasons given for divorce and none of them fell under sexual immorality (fornication) as I saw it. I sincerely asked the Lord to open my eyes. Was there any scriptural evidence to support these women's choices to opt out of a marriage other than infidelity? Yes, there was.
God led me to Matthew 19:3-12. The Pharisees were looking for a reason to trap Jesus in His words. Their previous scheme had not worked with the woman caught in adultery. However, if they could just get Jesus to say something contradictory to the Law of Moses, then they could brand Him as a heretic. So they asked Jesus this question, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" (Matthew 19:3b)
Jesus' answer was, and still is, God's original intention for marriage: "Have you not read . . . the two shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:5b-6).
The Pharisees did not like His answer. For Jesus had taken them right back to Genesis before there ever was a Moses or a Law of Moses so that they could hear what GOD SAYS about marriage. Yet the stiff-necked Pharisees persisted with another question: "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" (Matthew 19:7)
Jesus responds, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:8).
The self-righteous Pharisees were using the Law of Moses as an excuse to bail out on marriages for any flippant reason. And because of this, the Lord had some very strong words for them. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 19:9).
I can just hear the stone throwers shouting, "See, I told you . . . it's right there in the word . . . 'sexual immorality!'"
Wait a minute. Like Paul Harvey, let's hear "the rest of the story" before jumping to any conclusions. After verse 9 comes verse 10. Even Jesus' disciples, which would include us, were amazed at the words of Jesus. "His disciples said to Him, 'If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry'" (Matthew 19:10). Yeah, I can see their point. If sexual immorality (fornication) is the only reason for divorce, then perhaps we are better off not getting married.
But look at Jesus' response to his own disciples in verse 11. It stands to reason that if the disciples' statement was true, then Jesus would have said something to affirm it as such. He does not!
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce.
Now notice that Jesus goes on to explain what He meant with the following verse:
"For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it" (Matthew 19:12).
What did Jesus mean by this? He tells us that three different men all became eunuchs for different reasons. One was born a eunuch, another was made a eunuch by men, and still another made himself that way for the kingdom of heaven. They all became eunuchs for different reasons, but who is to say which eunuch is "God approved"? God accepted them all. That's the point!
Likewise, there are many reasons someone might seek a divorce: physical and verbal abuse from a spouse . . . being married to an unbeliever who makes life a literal hell . . . marital unfaithfulness . . . the stress of being married to an alcoholic for 23 years . . . or living with a pornographer who refuses to repent. Which one of these reasons for divorce is "God approved"? That's the point Jesus was making. Just as the eunuchs were acceptable to God regardless of how they became a eunuch, so also is a woman acceptable to God who seeks to be free from an abusive husband, even if infidelity is not involved. You and I cannot see in the heart of that abused person . . . but God can. For God has called them to peace.
And the church has done more harm counselling emotionally and physically battered women to stay in a relationship citing Matthew 5:32 "except for sexual immorality" as the only just cause for divorce. Women have actually committed suicide and murder under the stress of remaining in an abusive situation because their legalistic church counseled them to do so.
You may have heard of the case in the U.S. where a lady killed her husband (a pastor) who had been abusing her for years. God had called her to peace . . . but she never knew it, and one day she snapped. The evidence of abuse was so overwhelming that the courts found this woman not guilty of murder by reason of insanity.
I certainly do not want to imply that people should take their marriage so lightly as to divorce for every whim and fancy. I would not condone that, and neither does the Word of God. Every marriage will have its share of problems which can be worked out with God's help by two committed individuals. Yet there are some women, especially those suffering physical and mental abuse, who have reached the tipping point of no return; and the only thing they can do to preserve their sanity is to get out of that marriage. And ultimately, it is to the Lord they answer to, not you or me. He has called them to peace.
After God opened my eyes to the truth of scripture, I contacted those ladies on the dating site who I had thrown "stones" at and apologized profusely. I was truly grieved that I had been so self-righteous and blind, wounding those precious sisters for whom Christ died.
Now back to the story that I began with. The "stone throwers" had already dropped their rocks and left the scene with a guilty conscience, leaving Jesus alone with the adulterous woman.
"He said to her, 'Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?'"
"She said, 'No one, Lord.'"
"And Jesus said to her, 'Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more'" (John 8:10b-11).
HALLELUJAH�MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGMENT!!!
Blessings in Christ Jesus,
Paul Janz
(All Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New King James Version.)
"The Stone Thrower" Copyright � 2010 by Paul Janz.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 01:26 AM
teach ib tells bob:
Bob wrote: "So Paul, maybe you should contact this lady again. Since, you believe that a person can divorce for any reason, why would you be sickened? She gave you her reason. "
It is sad that the obvious is there but you are so adamant at trying to 'catch someone in error'.
It would be sin to marry someone who was not Biblically divorced...as long as she remains unmarried or returns to her husband, she has not committed adultery
You have deflected what bob was asking teach ib I read the post and the lady was in error scripturally and even paul noticed. Bob isn't trying to catch someone in error he is trying to arrest your attention to the facts at hand=something you avoid keeping with.
You are right that she is ok as long as not in adultery or adultery upon remarrying. Yet you teach ib believe you are saved no matter what so why would you care if she does adultery or why as you admitted that you can't remarry scripturally . Why will you not go ahead and remarry unscripturally since you believe you are saved no matter what????
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 01:36 AM
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Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
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Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Singer wrote: "Well this verse isn't addressed to an unbeliever since an unbeliever's name isn't written in the Book of Life so that it can be erased! In fact an unbeliever is according to Yahushua the Messiah is considered to be condemned to the lake of firel all ready unless they repent to Yahweh and be born again unto new life and then their name added to the book of life. Here is where Messiah said it =two witnesses given:"
Everyone has an opportunity to have their name written in the book of life...if someone takes away from God's Word, they take away their opportunity...they have heard and refuse to believe...and change what they don't like.
"Jesus' victory over death means there is nothing in your life that is bigger than He is, and if you belong to Him, nothing can defeat His plans for you."
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that
Teach ib you are deflecting again. Address the obvious it says in Revelation 22 vs 19 that their name will be erased from the book of life. How is an unbeliever's name written there when not in covenant with Yahushua? It his book He is the Lamb of Yahweh and it is the Lambs Book of Life.
You are trying to convince yourself because you can't handle the obvious truth here ! It busts up your saved no matter what doctrine. Just like the homosexuals/lesbians who say they are saved and going to heaven just because they believe and say its a finished work. Come on teach ib you are resisting the truth of the Word of Yahweh which is very obvious and very specific. You have all ready been proven wrong that the book of Revelation was given and addressed to unbelievers. Wrong again you are!
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 01:47 AM
All this is true teach ib and within it is Hebrews 10 vs 26 and you are only reaffirming it by posting it thanks!!!! Also you certainly haven't proven its content wrong by quoting salvation promises. i could post warning passage after warning passage too. All the salvation promises are true as long as one doesn't do something to where yahweh will disqualify them form being under the blood of yahushua by willfully sinning with no repentance! --------------------------
Hebrews 10 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 01:54 AM
teach ib all these scriptures you post here are true and I know alot of them by heart and have read the whole bible. Yet your conclusion about works as opposed to a free gift is faulty. Obediance is not a work per say. You won't address where I said this. Prove works and obediance are the same thing? I didn't say we have a fear of sinning I said willfully sinning we should have a fear of doing especially out of a fear for Yahweh which is the beginning of Wisdom.-------------------------------------------------------------------------Salvation is either freely offered by God's grace and freely received as a gift because of Christ's blood sacrifice -- or else salvation is conditional and works are a necessary part of salvation. If salvation is conditional, one lives in fear of sinning. If salvation is unconditional, one chooses not to sin to please the Heavenly Father.
Romans8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
2 Timothy 1:7-14
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 02:09 AM
paul, I am not advocating a works salvation and have explained it plainly on many former posts. I admit we can't earn it it is a free gift. However I say we can lose it by willfully sinning with no repentance. hebrews 10 vs 26.I wouldn't have ever thought this if not for all the warning passages in the scriptures and seeing believers do worse sins than unbelievers made me question. i know there are fake believers but I also know there are true ones who returned to a life of willfully sinning.
paul and teach ib i say you are lying on this posts if you say I believe and am posting a works salvation. i say again plainly based on all the scriptures in the New Testament alone there is plenty of scriptures that say we can lose it.
revelation 22 vs 19 in actual context teach ib is irrefutable!
Their names were in the book of life meaning they were a believer and when they take away from the words of the prophecy in Revelation (maybe the whole word too ) then Yahweh promises their name will be removed from the book of life.
There is no assurance passage going to change this fact once qualified for according to what Yahweh exactly meant as He states here! Don't say I don't have love it is in fact an act of love to point out the whole truth. it is an act of not loving your neighbor to conceal such a valuable truth or explain it away which according to context is dangerous for the person doing it to do!
These are true teach. However notice where sin abounded grace is much more. This truth is toward the unbeliever and the backslider who returns scripturally to Yahweh 1 john 1 vs 7 and 9.
Yet we don't practice sin willfully once saved just because we are not under the law but under grace because of Hebrews 10 vs 26.
Deuteronomy 30 vs 19
"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants
Deuteronomy 11 vs 26
New Living Translation (�2007)
"Look, today I am giving you the choice between a blessing and a curse
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 03:26 AM
Singer,
Most of the New Testament books were written to different individuals or churches...Timothy, Titus, Ephesus, Galatia, Corinth, Thessalonica, etc.
They were written for all to read and heed, although we can't fully understand unless we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
Even then, it takes time and study for us to grow in wisdom and knowledge. The Apostle Paul had to warn the Corinths that they weren't growing like they should.
It even took time for Paul to grow after his conversion. Ananias had to take him in and minister unto him. And Paul was a Bible scholar before his conversion...he just didn't have the full understanding of the message.
You make light of the power of Jesus to save us to the uttermost.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 08:41 AM
To all,
I am very disappointed at what this thread has become. When I first entered into this dialogue, it was with the express purpose of bringing to light some of the errors in the original article.
I have been talking about and debating doctrines with fellow believers for many years. Yet, in all of my experiences, I had never had such childish and totally unkind responses as those that I initially received here from Paul and Teach_ib. Perhaps, I wrongly expected that two people in their 50's would possess better communication skills and more Christian maturity.
I am owning my own failures here publicly. For me, somewhere in this thread, I lost sight of my intentions and it became more about winning a debate with the two of them than it did about teaching the truth in love.
For my own bad behavior here, I apologize. First, to the readers but also to Paul, Teach and Singer. For the record, I do not think that I am in full agreement with any of you.. each for different reasons.
All four of us have failed greatly in our treatment of one another in this thread. Perhaps, some worse than others but none of us got it right.
I have prayerfully looked inside my own heart and repented for my contributions to these failures. I now have issued a public apology as well to set the record straight.
I am suspending my activity in this thread for the time being. My prayer for all who have been part of this thread is that our faithful heavenly Father will use this as a teaching opportunity for each of us individually. He is always faithful to his word.
Rom. 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. AMEN and Shalom.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 10:17 AM
Singer,
Most of the New Testament books were written to different individuals or churches...Timothy, Titus, Ephesus, Galatia, Corinth, Thessalonica, etc.
They were written for all to read and heed, although we can't fully understand unless we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
Even then, it takes time and study for us to grow in wisdom and knowledge. The Apostle Paul had to warn the Corinths that they weren't growing like they should.
It even took time for Paul to grow after his conversion. Ananias had to take him in and minister unto him. And Paul was a Bible scholar before his conversion...he just didn't have the full understanding of the message.
You make light of the power of Jesus to save us to the uttermost.
Teach ib, it is not my intention to take away the fact that Messiah Yahushua can save to the uttermost. He can by all means! Yes it does take time for us to grow and we all need proper teaching and nourishment to grow properly.
I just wanted to point out my intention in this thread is to consider the warning passages which were also written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit too. Especially if we are to fall back into sin willfully or assume something that Yahweh will do when He has a warning for it especially on the remarriage part if unscriptural . The Word of Yahweh speaks for itself.
True doctrine is important for all things.
I apologize to any that I made feel that way that Yahushua's blood won't cover all sin or salvation isn't enough because his blood of course can and his salvation is to the uttermost. He certainly can forgive any sin even the willful ones that we come to him in sincere repentance. My intention was that we just do as He says. I have my flaws and I am trying to deal with them and let the Holy Spirit which I have in me change me to be more like Yahushua.
I apoligize also to any including Paul, Teach ib, or even Bob that I offended by my own words and ask for your forgiveness of such.
I am only trying to contend for the faith. I have seen so much hurt, pain, ainguish in my ministry of dealing with broken marriages when it comes to the children, the innocent mate, and how it affects all other family members and even those at church who know them and love them. It seems the victims get it the worse and the perpetrator gets off lightly in this world. But from what I have read and studied they dont"ultimately.
I know I am hard lined on doctrine but I do love people and have mercy too.
I will only dialogue from here on out in a way that shows more love and respect. I thank you Bob for your sharing your heart and helping to correct this thread. As for Teach ib and Paul I know you both are believers and I dispute it not. I just say we (meaning me too) better be careful of our teachings and not leave anything out that's written because every verse of scripture is powerful and annointed and we will give an account to our Messiah..
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2012 11:05 AM
There should be no strife among brethren.
Therefore, I asked for forgiveness from Yahweh and repent and ask for forgiveness from all others involved for allowing myself to enter strife no matter how small or large on this thread. I will not again. I will only dialogue in a respectful way in the future. I am only interested in what Yahweh wants and I know that He doesn't want his servants to strive. The devil is very tricky and we have to be on guard to not fall for his tricks and we must keep pride out of us and take on a meek and humble spirit.
Therefore Yahweh's will be done on earth as it is in heaven! May Yahushua the Messiah always be glorified.
