I, as one who was delivered from the devastating effects of alcohol 5.5 years ago, can't for the life of me understand how professing Christians can think this devilish concoction is ok for their consumption.
Their favourite passage from what I can tell is the one saying Jesus turned water into wine. NOWHERE does it say it was fermented, alcoholic wine. You have to make it say that you fit your theology.
In the Bible God warns against partaking of fermented wine.
Pr 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Isa 5:11, 22 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them! Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink
Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Pr 23:29-35 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.
God said not to even look at it when it's fermenting, much less drink it. It perverts your judgment.
You know what happened to Noah when he drank it. Not good.
You can be the most beautiful woman physically, but if you're down w/ drinking hooch, I find you unattractive and unappealing from that point on.
An people wonder why the u.s. is in the flusher. It's because the standards have been set to include the lowest common denominator. God's commands separation. God doesnt' have a big tent where everyone gets in. Christianity is the most exclusive, divisive religion in history.
If anyone disagrees, it's not w/ me but w/ the Book.
I would like to hear why drinking alcoholic beverages is ok for Christians.
What's going on here is one man spinning ever further away from the common sense which God has gifted us with, into error and heresy. I suspected this had something to do with KJV bigotry, as most conflicts about words do. It's almost inevitable.
Our Bible today is more accurate than the KJV could ever have hoped to be, because of the discovery of fragments that dated to Jesus' time and close afterwards. I'm talking Greek papyri dated to the first and second centuries AD, which has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism.
It's worth pointing out that "fruit of the vine" is a figure of speech. Everyone who speaks English fairly well knows that this refers to wine. Everyone who knows what wine is knows that it is alcoholic. There is no reason to presume otherwise, knowing Jewish culture and traditions.
And if you're saying I will go to Hell because I refuse to call alcohol itself evil, then that's fine. I've already had people tell me I'm going to Hell because I'm shy and because I hold to reformed theology. You won't be the first brother to not act in love and you won't be the last.
You are making a common mistake, though, in calling a physical object itself evil instead of looking at motive. By the same kind of thinking, guns are evil, not murder; cars are evil, not hit-and-runs, and so on. God looks at the heart. I suggest that you learn to do so as well.
Being delivered from the tyranny of alcoholism has done you NO GOOD if you don't have love.
As usual, most supportes of the modern "bibles" have no idea of their history and the manuscripts they are based upon. I'm pretty certain you didn't even try to look up Wescott and Hort, who they were and what they believed. The N.T. of the modern "bibles" are based on their translations.
You need to find out where the Alexandrian mss were found. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. The vatican is still in control of these.
When the perversion talks about a "more ancient manuscript," just like you attempted to do to seem more intelligent, they are saying the Alexandrian texts are older than the mss the KJB used and therefore more reliable. Not so. The original mss used for the N.T. of the KJB are not in existance today. They were handled and used and copied so much they were destroyed. We DO have the original Alexandrian texts--Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. The reason we still have those is cause the Christians of the early church knew those were heretical documents and thus didn't use them.
Beware of marketing techniques of the modern "bibles." Remember, grade level test indicators put the KJB @ a 5th grade reading level-the easiest of them all.
Good luck w/ you "bible" which has the devil being equal w/ Jesus.
AAAHHH, paganistic american Christiianity at its finest.
I wonder what the % of u.s. professing Christians have no problem w/ Halloween. or "harvest festival." A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Yayin - Generic term for the "juice of the grape," either fermented or unfermented; meaning "what is pressed out." You want so bad for wine to always mean alcohol you'll bypass the meaning of yayin. Quite similar to the baptismal regenerist who read "baptize" to always mean dunked in H2O. Neither are correct.
the KJB is God's word for the english speaking people. Other languages have their own that were based off the proper mss. What, did you think you had me in a squeeze w/ that?
