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Moonlight7

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Posted : 5 Mar, 2023 07:25 AM

what God has joined together



The command “what God has joined together, let no one separate” refers to marriage and divorce. It is from Jesus’ teaching on marriage and divorce found in Mark 10:1–12 and Matthew 19:1–12. On one occasion, the Pharisees asked Jesus if it is legitimate for a man to divorce his wife. Jesus in essence answers, “No”: “Haven’t you read . . . that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate” (Matthew 19:4–6; cf. Genesis 1:27; 2:24).







Jesus’ point is that a married couple is something that “God has joined together.” Marriage is not of human origin—it originated with God and is part of the way that God designed the human race to live. In saying “let no one separate” a marriage, Jesus taught that divorce is not God’s plan. Once a couple is married, they have been joined together by God Himself, and the union is meant to be for life. This principle holds true despite the faith (or lack thereof) of the couple. When two atheists marry, they have been joined together by God, whether they recognize it or not. If God has joined them together, then no human being has the right to break that union.



Later, after Jesus says, “What God has joined together, let no one separate,” the Pharisees point out that Moses allowed divorce. Jesus agrees, but also points out that the allowance was made due to “hardness of heart” (Matthew 19:8, NASB), reiterating that divorce was never God’s original plan.



Jesus’ command against separating what God has joined implies that it is possible for a marriage union to be broken and for the one flesh to be separated by divorce. There is debate among Christians about whether divorce is ever justified. Many (perhaps most) would allow for divorce in the case of unrepentant unfaithfulness on the part of one spouse (based on Matthew 19:9) or desertion of a believing spouse by an unbelieving spouse who no longer wants to be married to a believer (see 1 Corinthians 7:15). In these cases the marriage bond has been broken by unfaithfulness or desertion—a severing of something that God has joined together—and it is a tragic occurrence.



Even if the above exceptions are allowed, our culture and, too often, even the church seem to regard divorce as something far less serious than it is. If marriage were simply a human convention similar to a business partnership or club membership, then people would be free to enter and exit at will. Divorce is not simply two people deciding to part company; it is one or perhaps both of the marriage partners deciding that they will act decisively to end something that God intended to be permanent. That is a serious thing!

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Posted : 15 Mar, 2023 04:41 PM

Wonder, if you claim John Calvin believes a certain thing without justification you're putting yourself at risk of looking foolish when proven wrong.



Someone who who is more familiar with Calvin’s teaching might expose your error. Are you willing to take that risk?

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Posted : 15 Mar, 2023 04:42 PM

This Topic



Is on marriage separation

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Posted : 15 Mar, 2023 04:47 PM

ALL Off topic



Disagreements/ arguments ,





Other discussion move on to Biblical discussions !





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Posted : 15 Mar, 2023 06:08 PM

" Grounds"





What are biblical grounds for divorce?





When discussing what the Bible says about divorce, it is important to keep in mind the words of Malachi 2:16, “I hate divorce, says the Lord God.” Whatever grounds the Bible possibly gives for divorce, that does not mean God desires a divorce to occur in those instances. Rather than asking “is ______ a grounds for divorce,” often the question should be “is _______ grounds for forgiveness, restoration, and/or counseling?”







The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9) and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15). Even in these two instances, though, divorce is not required or even encouraged. The most that can be said is that sexual immorality and abandonment are grounds (an allowance) for divorce. Confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, and restoration are always the first steps. Divorce should only be viewed as a last resort.



Are there any grounds for divorce beyond what the Bible explicitly says? Perhaps, but we do not presume upon the Word of God. It is very dangerous to go beyond what the Bible says (1 Corinthians 4:6). The most frequent additional grounds for divorce that people inquire about are spousal abuse (emotional or physical), child abuse, addiction to pornography, drug / alcohol use, crime / imprisonment, and mismanagement of finances (such as through a gambling addiction). None of these can be claimed to be explicit biblical grounds for a divorce.



That does not necessarily mean, though, that none of them are grounds for divorce which God would approve of. For example, we cannot imagine that it would be God’s desire for a wife to remain with a husband who physically abuses her and/or their children. In such an instance, the wife should definitely separate herself and the children from the abusive husband. However, even in such a situation, a time of separation with the goal of repentance and restoration should be the ideal, not necessarily immediately beginning divorce proceedings. Please understand, by saying that the above are not biblical grounds for divorce, we are definitely not saying that a man/woman whose spouse is engaging in such activities should remain in the situation. If there is any risk to self or children, separation is a good and appropriate step.



Another way to look at this issue is to differentiate between biblical grounds for divorce and biblical grounds for divorce and remarriage. Some interpret the two biblical grounds for divorce mentioned above as the only grounds for remarriage after a divorce, but allow for divorce with no remarriage in other instances. While this is a plausible interpretation, it seems to come too close to presuming upon the Word of God. For more information, please read the following two articles:

https://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/divorced-remarry.html



In summary, what are the biblical grounds for divorce? The answer is sexual immorality and abandonment. Are there additional grounds for divorce beyond these two? Possibly. Is divorce ever to be treated lightly or employed as the first recourse? Absolutely not. God is capable of changing and reforming any person. God is capable of healing and renewing any marriage. Divorce should only occur in instances of repeated and unrepentant heinous sin.

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Posted : 15 Mar, 2023 09:37 PM

Satanic lie . Bibles NIV and others are rewritten demonic lies . Only King James Version Bible the the original True Bible . There were true God's people of Faith like Jonathan Edwards whose sermons Sinners In The Hands Of Angry God never dies . John Gill , and other Puritans .

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Posted : 16 Mar, 2023 04:14 AM

It’s a Wonder says: “Satanic lie . Bibles NIV and others are rewritten demonic lies . Only King James Version Bible the the original True Bible . There were true God's people of Faith like Jonathan Edwards whose sermons Sinners In The Hands Of Angry God never dies . John Gill , and other Puritans .”

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Posted : 16 Mar, 2023 04:39 AM

Wonder, you really are a REAL wonder😂🤣😇

First of all, not only is your theology bad to the core but so is your history‼️‼️‼️

For example, you belong to some kind of “Calvinist Baptist” but John Calvin does NOT agree with your false theology regarding divorce and remarriage.

In addition, you think the KJV is the “original true Bible”.

Wonder let me help you. The KJ is a VERSION‼️‼️‼️ Do you know what a “version” is⁉️⁉️ A version is NOT the original true Bible‼️

Second, the KJV is a TRANSLATION—do you know what a “translation” is⁉️⁉️A translation is NOT the original true Bible‼️

EVEN the KJV translators welcomed future improvements to the KJ VERSION. Haven’t you ever read the foreword to the KJV written by the KJV translators THEMSELVES⁉️⁉️

Your history of biblical versions is so messed up it’s appalling‼️‼️

Yes, as you say: Jonathan Edwards who wrote “Sinners In The Hands Of Angry God” and John Gill and certain other Puritans were GREAT preachers and theologians (but not all Puritans were worthy theologians).

But you’re doing the good ones a great disservice by misrepresenting them‼️

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Posted : 16 Mar, 2023 06:01 AM

WonderZZZZ



You are Out of Order!



You continuously Disrespect my Topic , with your own opinions!





You've been asked to make your own Topics.





Nothing I posted here is a Lie.

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Posted : 16 Mar, 2023 06:04 AM

WonderZZZZ





Stay off this Topic

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Posted : 16 Mar, 2023 06:10 AM

Christian marriage counseling





Any couple struggling in their marriage should seek counseling sooner rather than later. Every marriage includes bumps and turns that if not handled correctly can create chasms too wide to bridge. Often, either from pride or shame, a couple does not seek help with issues early enough to save the marriage. They wait until so much damage has been inflicted that the marriage is already dead and the counselor has little to work with. Proverbs 11:14 says, "Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety" (ESV). When we face battles too great to wage alone, wise people seek wise counsel.



Recurring issues in a marriage are like road signs warning of danger to come. Some of these road signs are:



1. Inability to resolve conflict in a healthy way.

2. One partner dominating the relationship so that the needs of the other are not met.

3. Inability to compromise.

4. Either partner stepping outside the marriage to "fix" the problems.

5. Breakdown in communication.

6. Confusion about the roles of each spouse in the marriage.

7. Pornography.

8. Deceit.

9. Disagreement about parenting styles.

10. Addictions.



When a couple recognizes any of these warning signs, it is wise to seek godly counsel. However, not all counsel that presents itself as "Christian" is based on the truth of God’s Word. Friends and family may mean well, but can offer unscriptural solutions that only confuse and make the problem worse. A counselor should be chosen based upon his or her philosophy and adherence to Scripture as the foundation for emotional health. Many horror stories have come from people who sought counsel from those they trusted, only to find "wolves in sheep’s clothing" (Matthew 7:15) who have excused sin and instructed the wronged spouse to "get over it."



A few questions in the initial interview can eliminate some of those "wolves" before time and money are wasted on them. Couples investigating counselors should consider the following:



1. Is this counselor affiliated with one of the national organizations for Christian counselors, such as AACC (American Association of Christian Counselors), the NCCA (National Christian Counselors Association), or the NANC (National Association of Nouthetic Counselors)?



2. Where did the counselor receive training or licensing? The likelihood is greater that you will receive biblically based therapy if the counselor has been trained through a Christian counseling program rather than a secular organization or university. A state license does not ensure you will receive better counsel. Excellent scriptural counseling can be found through local pastors, lay counselors, and support groups.



3. Is this counselor experienced in dealing with the particular issues involved? A few key questions such as, "What is your approach on pornography addiction?" will help you decide whether or not you agree with this counselor’s perspective.



4. Do you agree with this counselor’s philosophy and/or religious affiliation? There are sects and denominations that carry the banner of "Christian" but may be too far outside a couple’s belief system for them to benefit from counseling. Choosing a counselor from within a couple’s own religious framework may make the counseling more effective.



There is nothing that can promise a perfect outcome, but considering those questions may help narrow the field. God is for marriage; He hates divorce (Malachi 2:16). The first step a couple should take is to ask God to guide them to the right counselor. It may take a bit of scouting, but finding a counselor who can bring godly wisdom to a troubled marriage is worth any effort.

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