Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 2 Feb, 2012 11:28 PM
Thanks to a question about divorce and remarriage posted on another thread, I felt the need to address those on this site who may be suffering from the weight of guilt and condemnation heaped on them because of their reasons for divorce.
I wrote the following article, "The Stone Thrower", based on actual instances that happened on this site. If you are one of those who have been ostracized by others for having an "Unbiblical Divorce," please take the time to read. May it minister to your heart.
The Stone Thrower
I want to touch on a subject today that has long been regarded in Christendom as taboo . . . and that is . . . DIVORCE. Mention that word around some Christians and their hackles suddenly go up on the back of their neck. They pull out their proverbial stones ready to put to death anyone who they think has been un-biblically divorced. And to my shame, I was one of them�a stone thrower.
We all know the story of the woman caught in adultery in John 8:3-11. The scribes and Pharisees (the religious self-righteous) had arrested this woman and dragged her before Jesus. One has to wonder how these Pharisees caught such a woman "in the very act" of adultery. How convenient for them. It's amazing the depths of depravity the self-righteous will sink to in order to defend their religious arguments. Did they have the paparazzi spy on her to get some juicy pictures for the whole world to see?
At any rate, they dragged this poor woman in front of Jesus and proudly proclaimed, "Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?" (John 8:5)
Zowie!! These men can quote the Word of God . . . at least the parts that suit their fancy.
I like our Lord's reaction. "But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear" (John 8:6b).
Don't you just love it when someone ignores you . . . especially when you're trying to win an argument? But the self-righteous rarely lie down without a fight, and those religious Pharisees were determined to prove that they had the "truth." So they continued pestering Jesus, knowing that the Law of Moses was on their side. It's not a good idea to pester Jesus, especially when it comes to "pointing a finger" at someone.
"So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.' And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst" (John 8:7-9).
This introductory story of the woman caught in adultery has a purpose: I wanted you to have a glimpse of the mentality of a "stone thrower." They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. Ouch . . . I just described me.
I had a clear cut answer for the reasons one might give to justify divorce which I thought was quite Biblical. And in my mind, there was only one reason . . . "But I say to you, that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except for sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 5:32). There you have it�plain and simple. Who could argue with such a statement? It is the Word of God! I thought I had the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . . . yet the truth is . . . I was ignorant of the ways of God. "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
And it was in my ignorance to God's ways that I threw stones at the divorced ladies on a Christian dating site some time ago. As a widower, I was on this site looking for a prospective wife. I was so appalled at the amount of women who were divorced on this site whose reasons for separating from their husbands did not match my view of scripture. In order to protect myself from these "contaminated souls," I purposely wrote something in my profile for those that I would consider as wife material: "You may be single, widowed, or divorced (must be for Biblical reasons only)."
When I would communicate with these divorced ladies, I would immediately ask them to provide details on the reason for their divorce. If they could not give me an answer of infidelity as the reason for their divorce, then I considered them unmarriageable. Yet God has a way of grabbing His child's attention when that child is in error.
One of the ladies on this dating site told me her story of divorce after I demanded it. Her husband was deep in bondage to pornography and had no interest whatsoever in repentance. The man had not physically hopped into bed with another woman, and so in my self-righteousness, I condemned the poor wife for wanting to opt out on the marriage. And the "stones" that I threw created fresh wounds in her heart while she recounted those painful memories of her husband's infidelity as he lusted after porn. According to Jesus' own words, her husband WAS GUILTY of adultery: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). I ignored that scripture and concentrated only on Matthew 5:32. She lashed out at me, saying that she was glad Jesus did not condemn her even if I did. I have to admit, I was shaken by her story which moved me to tears.
Then there was another lady whom I demanded to give an account for her divorce. I threw "stones" at her as well when she could not give me a reason of infidelity for her separation. In bitter anger, she struck back at me, stating how her husband had broken her nose and physically abused her. I ignored the scripture which reads, "But God has called us to peace" (1 Corinthians 7:15b) and concentrated again on Matthew 5:32. However, her story bothered me very much just like the other woman's.
I began to seek God earnestly. These were only two of the many ladies who shared with me their heartbreaking stories of divorce. There were so many reasons given for divorce and none of them fell under sexual immorality (fornication) as I saw it. I sincerely asked the Lord to open my eyes. Was there any scriptural evidence to support these women's choices to opt out of a marriage other than infidelity? Yes, there was.
God led me to Matthew 19:3-12. The Pharisees were looking for a reason to trap Jesus in His words. Their previous scheme had not worked with the woman caught in adultery. However, if they could just get Jesus to say something contradictory to the Law of Moses, then they could brand Him as a heretic. So they asked Jesus this question, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" (Matthew 19:3b)
Jesus' answer was, and still is, God's original intention for marriage: "Have you not read . . . the two shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:5b-6).
The Pharisees did not like His answer. For Jesus had taken them right back to Genesis before there ever was a Moses or a Law of Moses so that they could hear what GOD SAYS about marriage. Yet the stiff-necked Pharisees persisted with another question: "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" (Matthew 19:7)
Jesus responds, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:8).
The self-righteous Pharisees were using the Law of Moses as an excuse to bail out on marriages for any flippant reason. And because of this, the Lord had some very strong words for them. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 19:9).
I can just hear the stone throwers shouting, "See, I told you . . . it's right there in the word . . . 'sexual immorality!'"
Wait a minute. Like Paul Harvey, let's hear "the rest of the story" before jumping to any conclusions. After verse 9 comes verse 10. Even Jesus' disciples, which would include us, were amazed at the words of Jesus. "His disciples said to Him, 'If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry'" (Matthew 19:10). Yeah, I can see their point. If sexual immorality (fornication) is the only reason for divorce, then perhaps we are better off not getting married.
But look at Jesus' response to his own disciples in verse 11. It stands to reason that if the disciples' statement was true, then Jesus would have said something to affirm it as such. He does not!
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce.
Now notice that Jesus goes on to explain what He meant with the following verse:
"For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it" (Matthew 19:12).
What did Jesus mean by this? He tells us that three different men all became eunuchs for different reasons. One was born a eunuch, another was made a eunuch by men, and still another made himself that way for the kingdom of heaven. They all became eunuchs for different reasons, but who is to say which eunuch is "God approved"? God accepted them all. That's the point!
Likewise, there are many reasons someone might seek a divorce: physical and verbal abuse from a spouse . . . being married to an unbeliever who makes life a literal hell . . . marital unfaithfulness . . . the stress of being married to an alcoholic for 23 years . . . or living with a pornographer who refuses to repent. Which one of these reasons for divorce is "God approved"? That's the point Jesus was making. Just as the eunuchs were acceptable to God regardless of how they became a eunuch, so also is a woman acceptable to God who seeks to be free from an abusive husband, even if infidelity is not involved. You and I cannot see in the heart of that abused person . . . but God can. For God has called them to peace.
And the church has done more harm counselling emotionally and physically battered women to stay in a relationship citing Matthew 5:32 "except for sexual immorality" as the only just cause for divorce. Women have actually committed suicide and murder under the stress of remaining in an abusive situation because their legalistic church counseled them to do so.
You may have heard of the case in the U.S. where a lady killed her husband (a pastor) who had been abusing her for years. God had called her to peace . . . but she never knew it, and one day she snapped. The evidence of abuse was so overwhelming that the courts found this woman not guilty of murder by reason of insanity.
I certainly do not want to imply that people should take their marriage so lightly as to divorce for every whim and fancy. I would not condone that, and neither does the Word of God. Every marriage will have its share of problems which can be worked out with God's help by two committed individuals. Yet there are some women, especially those suffering physical and mental abuse, who have reached the tipping point of no return; and the only thing they can do to preserve their sanity is to get out of that marriage. And ultimately, it is to the Lord they answer to, not you or me. He has called them to peace.
After God opened my eyes to the truth of scripture, I contacted those ladies on the dating site who I had thrown "stones" at and apologized profusely. I was truly grieved that I had been so self-righteous and blind, wounding those precious sisters for whom Christ died.
Now back to the story that I began with. The "stone throwers" had already dropped their rocks and left the scene with a guilty conscience, leaving Jesus alone with the adulterous woman.
"He said to her, 'Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?'"
"She said, 'No one, Lord.'"
"And Jesus said to her, 'Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more'" (John 8:10b-11).
HALLELUJAH�MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGMENT!!!
Blessings in Christ Jesus,
Paul Janz
(All Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New King James Version.)
"The Stone Thrower" Copyright � 2010 by Paul Janz.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 11:43 AM
Singer4u says, "however, next time if you are out and have the guts to boldly witness and they knock you out or your teeth or try and murder you then you are going to just let them with no defense of yourself?"
"But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also" (Matthew 5:39). God's command is to be obeyed.
"And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' Then he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, 'Lord, do not charge them with this sin.' And when he has said this, he fell asleep" (Acts 7:59-60). Stephen obeyed.
"So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name" (Acts 5:41). The apostles obeyed
"He was oppressed and He was afflicted; yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before his shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth" Isaiah 53:7). Jesus obeyed.
Singer4u says, "Sorry paul struggling with turning the other cheek has no commandment that the one guilty of it is breaking the law nor is it a damnable offence?" You blind hypocrite. You disobey Jesus' command and justify yourself. Are you saying disobeying Jesus' command is not a sin? Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15). "The soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:20). You have broken His commandments not only here but also when you look lustfully on a woman. By your own words, you will be condemned. You said, "No I never lusted for another woman while married." By your own admission then, you have lusted after women BEFORE marriage and AFTER your marriage was over. You look lustfully after women, committing adultery in your mind. And somehow you think that you are immune to Jesus' Word: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You, Singer4u, HAVE committed adultery!
You parade yourself on this forum as a servant of God, one who thunders against all adulterers with death and judgment. Yet you are GUILTY of the SAME sin. You blind hypocrite! Let the readers of this thread and those who sit under your teaching be warned:
"For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
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Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 04:55 PM
paul, you little cowardly man. all on this post are waiting for you and teach ib to answer Revelation 22 vs 19???
Go for it paul oh all knowing one and defender of the unrepentant covenant breakers.
All see that you ignore this and go to other meaniless points oh wise one. I am waitng on all that all knowiness in paul to risk explaining away Revelation 22 vs 19?????????
earth to paul earth to paul earth to paul??? Are you hiding behind another woman's skirt again???
teach ib care to take this one on????? Revealtion 22 vs 19.
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Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 04:59 PM
paul and teach ib ???
How come you two haven't answered my question on the verse in Revelation 22 vs 19 ????????????????
Care to defend your once saved always saved sloppy agape and risk qualifying for this verse's warning given by Yahweh himself by taking away from its truth???????=Whether that be by explaining it away or trying to take away its power and directive????????
Hey you two is this verse true or not???????
Is it New testament???????
Is this really within Yahweh's will???????
Where are the two champion's of sloppy agape greasy grimy slippory sliding grace only no matter what.
I boldly say there is a what!
Any questions or explain aways?
I didn't think so!!!!!!!
See neither of you two have all the answers on every matter!!! Yet Yahweh does!!!!!!!!
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Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 05:23 PM
The all knowing one paul says:
--------You parade yourself on this forum as a servant of God, one who thunders against all adulterers with death and judgment. Yet you are GUILTY of the SAME sin. You blind hypocrite! Let the readers of this thread and those who sit under your teaching be warned:
"For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- You failed to prove me wrong paul-- I have scripture too .
This isn't the only New Testament verse on judgement paul.
Yahushua will still separate the sheep from the goats and the righteous from the workers of iniquity and He will spit out the lukewarm!
This because there is a balance on the whole word of Yahweh and it has to be rightly divided. paul always makes a complete doctrine on 1 verse or 1 story from the bible. Neglecting all other pertaining verses.
Revelation 3 vs 16:
'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
Matthew 25:31-46
The Sheep and the Goats
31 �When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 �Then the King will say to those on his right, �Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.�
37 �Then the righteous will answer him, �Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?�
40 �The King will reply, �Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.�
41 �Then he will say to those on his left, �Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.�
44 �They also will answer, �Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?�
45 �He will reply, �Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.�
46 �Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. �
Psalms 6:8
Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping.
Luke 13 vs 27-31
27"But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'28"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.29People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God.30Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."
Jesus' Sorrow for Jerusalem
Matthew 7
(7:1) "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
To judge or not to judge
What must you do to be saved?
(7:3-4) Avoid hypocrisy. Consider your own faults rather than criticizing others.
(7:3) "Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
(7:4) "How wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Consider all these verses paul the next time you write a thesis on The Stone Thrower!!!
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Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 05:39 PM
paul, if you want to tell people bless you and jesus loves you while they beat you to death or injure you severely go for it.
I will not cast pearls before swine! Those that don't love him nor want him will tell you plainly and if you keep preaching to them well you reap what you sow huh?
I will honor their requests if direct to them, but I don't let them rule over me and silence me when i'm preaching to others who want to hear and they come telling me to shut up. I obey Yahweh rather than them!!!
I fear not men but Yahweh.
I know their is a balance on turning the other cheek.
Someone breaking in my house isnt coming for coffee nor tea! They are coming to steal. murder, and destroy. I will not watch and say jesus loves you and he will forgive you while someone is raping my child. I will start the laying on of hands ministry then and thank Yahweh for the victory. If a child can't trust their earthly father to protect them then how can they their heavenly Father?
I would rather stand in front of him on judgement day having done something reather than nothing!!!
For the cowardly are listed as having their part in the lake of fire too !
Revealion 21 vs 8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death
Revelation 22 vs 14
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments,[g] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But[h] outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
I will also add that in the christian villages in the world where the moslems come and rape their wives and take machetes to their limbs and murder the men and then sell the women as sex slaves.
If the christain men in these villages would buy guns and other weapons as protection then this wouldn't happen!!!
There is no way believing women being used as sex slaves and their husband and children murdered is the will of Yahweh. You going to say that paul? teach ib?
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Posted : 16 Jun, 2012 09:25 PM
Singer4u says, "however, next time if you are out and have the guts to boldly witness and they knock you out or your teeth or try and murder you then you are going to just let them with no defense of yourself?"
"But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also" (Matthew 5:39). God's command is to be obeyed.
"And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' Then he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, 'Lord, do not charge them with this sin.' And when he has said this, he fell asleep" (Acts 7:59-60). Stephen obeyed.
"So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name" (Acts 5:41). The apostles obeyed
"He was oppressed and He was afflicted; yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before his shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth" Isaiah 53:7). Jesus obeyed.
Singer4u says, "Sorry paul struggling with turning the other cheek has no commandment that the one guilty of it is breaking the law nor is it a damnable offence?" You blind hypocrite. You disobey Jesus' command and justify yourself. Are you saying disobeying Jesus' command is not a sin? Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15). "The soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:20). You have broken His commandments not only here but also when you look lustfully on a woman. By your own words, you will be condemned. You said, "No I never lusted for another woman while married." By your own admission then, you have lusted after women BEFORE marriage and AFTER your marriage was over. You look lustfully after women, committing adultery in your mind. And somehow you think that you are immune to Jesus' Word: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You, Singer4u, HAVE committed adultery!
You parade yourself on this forum as a servant of God, one who thunders against all adulterers with death and judgment. Yet you are GUILTY of the SAME sin. You blind hypocrite! Let the readers of this thread and those who sit under your teaching be warned:
"For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
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Posted : 17 Jun, 2012 05:10 AM
As you see those on this forum paul majors in the minors.
He says that I parade myself on here like I'm a servant of g-d.
I certaintly am a servany of Yahweh for I quote his words. I do however have my own opinions about things and I state what is my opinion but what stands it the Word of Yahweh which is forever and all that matters.
paul thinks his interpretation of scripture is better than the messianic rabbis who speak Hebrew and read Hebrew and they know more about scripture meanings than any of those in water downed christian churches. The Rabbis as well as my own studying and research of the Torah is the teaching I follow.
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Posted : 17 Jun, 2012 05:21 AM
Also let me warn all on this forum again---------
This guy paul's stone thrower's teaching doesn't line up with what all that Yahushua said on marriage and divorce and this is what bobbobbins and myself are pointing out. paul's former view lined up with scripture and his present changed view in the teaching was to revert back to a easy greasy grace no matter what message. Messiah himself warned about adultery and its consequences especially between believers. You may divorce -separate if your believers but the one who did adultery is the one Yahushua will hold accountable for the marriage. Also be warned that willful practicing adulterers won't be in the Kingdom of Yahweh!!!
Anyone can see this by studying the Torah=whole Word of Yahweh for themselves. Paul on the other hand offers his opinion only with one story from the bible backing it up. He and teach ib say we are saved no matter what.
YET NEITHER OF THEM DARE DISPUTE Revelation 22 vs 19 which speaks for itself! This warning proves we are not saved no matter what so all of us should be wary and make our calling and election sure by staying within Yahweh's parameters not paul's open ended lack of obeying the full counsel of Yahweh teaching!!!
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Posted : 17 Jun, 2012 08:24 AM
Singer wrote: Revelation 22 vs 19 silences paul and teach ib 's grace no matter what teachings."
I have a life other than just this website.
Obedience to the law/commandments cannot merit/earn salvation...nor does it keep us saved, however, it is evidence that we have received the gift of God, eternal life through Jesus Christ. Adherence to the commandments (although not a requirement for salvation) keeps in a good relationship with our Heavenly Father. �Just like obeying the rule our parents establish keeps us on good terms with them.
Revelation 22:16 �I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:�
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Verses 18 and 19 are written to everyone, NOT just Christians/believers. � Jesus spoke 'unto every man'. �Those men/women who read/hear and change the Word, will not have a part in eternal life. �Christians, those indwelled by the Holy Spirit, will NOT change the Word as they are under control of the Holy Spirit. �Cults that have removed Hell, added conditions to obtaining salvation (give money, perform acts, etc) are examples of people who have taken away/added to the Word. �
Philippians 1:6�Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
If God can keep us, He can prevent us from doing something so heinous as changing His Word.
