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Posted : 13 Dec, 2010 05:27 PM

I love you, so I'm going to tell you some hard truth, as it is written "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. (Leviticus 19:17, KJV)"



My profile was getting crowded with much of this, so I'm putting it here instead for those who are truly seeking, who are really searching for G-d's Will. I don't know everything. Far from it. But this I do know: Most professing Christians are not going to make it. Sadly.



As I'm entering this, one of the random women suggestions above, which CDfF.com has delivered, is a picture not of a woman, but of a black square instead, which contains the words "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME". How appropriate. Indeed, this is the prevailing attitude of this wicked generation, who thinks they can live however they like without incurring His Judgment. Most of us will not hear the Truth. The sad fact is that GOD WILL JUDGE YOU if you refuse to repent of your sin. You are supposed to work out your salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING (Philippians 2:12).



Personally, I'm not looking for a Christian woman, at least not what is common among 'Christianity'. I'm looking for a follower of G-d's Messiah, whose priority is truly following Him rather than men; following Christ Jesus by the Spirit of Christ and in accordance with what is written... not a denomination, not a pastor, not the latest teaching, nor your feelings, nor your friends, and certainly not the majority of professing Christians. Christianity is plagued with traditions of men that nullify the commandment of G-d, which Christ Jesus HATES (See Mark 7:7-9). "But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. (Matthew 15:13, KJV)" To have a hope, we must give Him our lives, and if you've given Him your life, it's no longer yours to do with as you please. It's His.



Most people I come across who profess to be Christians are not really following Christ Jesus. To someone who is really in Messiah, it is very obvious. When you truly step out of the world, it is shocking to see how a part of the world the overwhelming majority of professing Christians are in the world; integral. Unfortunately, though not surprisingly, most professing Christians don't even realize they are not actually following Christ, but the sad truth of the matter is that most professing Christians follow man, and, sadly, are headed straight for destruction as a result. It very well could be that you are just such a person, even likely, so let this be a warning to you if you hear His voice as you read this. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 9:10).



The Master says, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (ANOMIA; LAWLESSNESS!). (Matthew 7:21-23, KJV)" Not all believers are "saved," despite what man will tell you. As James says, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:19-20, KJV)"



"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of ANOMIA. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out. (Luke 13:23-28, KJV)"



The Master says, "If any will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow ME. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. (Luke 9:23-24, KJV)" If you really follow him, frankly, you will hardly fit in anywhere. As He says, "Because ANOMIA will abound, the love of many will wax cold. (Matthew 24:12)" "My sheep respond to my voice, and I know who they are. (John 10:27, KJV)" If your goal is to fit in with most Christians and have a nice cozy life --- if your goal is to fit in at the average church --- sorry, you're not really following the Master. It's time to wake up people.



So what's the difference between the real believer and the imposter? We should be in the world, not of the world, set apart by His Spirit, WHOLLY OBEDIENT TO HIS COMMANDMENT. We do not pick and choose which commandments to obey. The soul that abides in sin shall die (Ezekiel 18:20). Unfortunately, most Christians fail to understand what, precisely, sin is. Sin is transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4), as given to Israel by G-d through His humble servant Moses. And it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before G-d, but the doers of the Law will be justified (Romans 2:13). Being Jewish doesn't matter, nor being Gentile; what matters is that you become a new creation in Messiah, who keeps the commandment of G-d (Galatians 6:15, 1 Corinthians 7:19)! The LORD changes not!



Fellowship and worship on the first day of the week if you like, but don't reject the G-d-given 7th day Sabbath, nor His feasts, and stop eating what is not food, stop celebrating pagan festivals. Wives, be reconciled to your husbands or remain alone. Stop believing the lie that G-d's grace means it's okay to sin, or that you cannot sin in Messiah even though you do! Don't be absurd. This passage in John's epistle means you are not in Messiah if you abide in sin! If you are truly in Messiah, you cannot abide sin just as HE CANNOT ABIDE SIN! He who says he abides in Messiah and lives in sin is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4)! Don't be deceived. Unless you repent, you will perish (Luke 13:3,5).



Some follow Rome, some follow Luther, some John Calvin... some THINK they follow Paul, but 'Is Christ divided?' as Paul so aptly said (1 Corinthians 1:10-15). Blessed are they, rather, who hear the Word of God and obey (Luke 11:28). Traditions are unacceptable if they nullify the Law of God in any way. THAT is the test. As He said: I have not come to destroy the Law. Whoever breaks one of the least of these instructions will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven, and unless your righteousness in these matters exceeds that of the scribes and the Pharisees, you certainly will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:17-20)! But hey, believe what you will. As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD (Joshua 24:15).



So let's love Him every day with all our hearts, souls, minds, resources, and love our neighbours as ourselves. Interestingly, those two instructions are not found in the Ten Commandments, but elsewhere in the Law; in Deuteronomy and in Leviticus respectively! That fact should speak volumes to you about the accuracy of the common understanding of the words of Jesus ('We must keep the Ten Commandments...'). It's true, but not the way most people mean to say. As it is written, 'The commandment is a lamp and the law is light, and reproofs of instruction are the way of life. (Prov. 6:23)' Do you have one without the other? Or have you not then turned the lamp off??!



So what did Jesus mean when he said the most important commandment of all is 'HEAR O Israel' (Mk. 12). Most professing Christians prefer to quote this occurrence as it appears in Matthew, which leaves this critical demand out. Most, I find, tend to say '...as long as I love God and love my neighbour, it's all good, even if I choose not to live entirely by the Word,' but WHAT IS LOVE? How do we know whether or not we love? The word translated in Mark 12 as HEAR (SHEMA, see Deut. 6, which means HEAR/LISTEN/OBEY) is the key to love. As John says, 'the love of God is that we keep His commandment, and his commandment are not grievous. (1 John 5:3)' And likewise, 'By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandment. (1 John 5:2)'



How do we know, then, that a husband loves his wife, and a wife her husband? What about their children? A son his parents? Parents their children? Hopefully you guessed it hopefully... So don't forget SHEMA! When we SHEMA to the best of our ability, we THEREFORE love God and love our neighbour; and you can then know, therefore, that you will love your husband or wife as yourself. If this sounds insane to you, then you haven't yet really met Jesus. Search for him. Search for him with all your heart and you will find him.



And stop following men! Follow Jesus! Meditate on the Scriptures, seeking the illumination that only the Word of G-d can provide by His Spirit, and act on it! Stop paying heed to your frivolous feelings, attributed to the Holy Spirit, that are not consistent with Scripture ('I feel like the Spirit is telling me it is okay to not obey this time...'). The heart is deceitful above all and desparately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). Test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1).



Feel free to message me if you have any questions. G-d willing, He will give me the wisdom to respond appropriately. But please, the above is Scripture. If you don't agree, take it up with Jesus.





P.S. To the divorced on here, I'm curious what you think:



How do you interpret the words of Jesus? ...maybe no one has brought your attention to these words before:



In Luke 16:18 and Matthew 5:32 (see also Mark 10:10), Jesus is recorded as saying he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. (ESV)



Likewise, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, Jesus says through the Apostle Paul "To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife."



Just prior to that, Paul writes the following:



"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral....will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)



I'm just doing the math here. It seems pretty logical to me, but maybe I'm missing something... The LORD says marrying a divorced woman is committing adultery, which is sexual immorality, and Paul warns us that the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom of God.



Are you quite sure you want to remarry?



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 02:18 PM

Yes it is right my brother, However you do need to remember before you speak to do it in love.

he who lives by the law dies by the law.



When we are forgiven are sins are no longer there. They have been forgotten by Jesus. that means we never did anything before that condems us. God gives us a fresh start.

It is man that does not forget.

Why would you throw some sin into somebodies face that they have been forgiven for????????



Are you better than the rest of us?????



When you spell GOD please put the O in. leaving one letter out serves what purpose??????



If somebody left a letter out in my name I would wonder if the message was for somebody else.

Are you throwing stones here?????

my X wife told me that it was nothing I had done. I was blameless------- Her Words not mine.

She wanted to leave, I am free in Christ to be forgiven and

the sin has been removed.

my Jesus died on the Cross to forgive my sins.

has your Jesus forgiven you of your sins?

or have you decided to judge your brothers in Christ????

Jesus said, he who is with out sin cast the first stone.

Is my point taken here.

Dennis a forgiven follower of Christ.



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 02:26 PM

Lawabider,

Jer 3:8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of her unfaithful adulteries"

Lawabider, I can't help but notice the majority of the scriptures you use to defend a postion on the New Covenant are taken from the Old Covenant. Do you think this is wise?



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 02:46 PM

@dgrimater:



Dennis,



Thanks for responding. I do speak in love -- it is not condemnation -- that those who do not understand might come to real repentance by faith in Christ, embracing the full counsel of G-d.



You are deceived if you think your sins are forgiven if you continue in them. You are forgiven if you turn from them by faith in Christ to righteousness. But if you abide in sin, you have not been forgiven your sins.



As I was just explaining above,



Sin is transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him (1 John 3:6). Unless you turn from sin, you will perish (Luke 13:3,5).



The question is, have you really been forgiven? The answer to that question depends on whether or not you turn from your sin and live to righteousness in Christ. Don't be deceived. REPENT is the first word of the Gospel. The Good News is for the obedient servants in Christ.



Yes, I am forgiven for my sins. I know this because I have forsaken them. And ever since I have in obedience to Jesus, G-d has manifested Himself to me in the Spirit. His Spirit speaks to me. I know I am in Him by the Spirit I have received.



Dennis, I understand what you are trying to say, but your point is misguided. If your sins are forgiven and you are in Christ, then you should not be bothered by anything I have written. It is a warning for those who reject the full counsel of G-d.



And "GOD" is not His name. It is a title.



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:03 PM

Shared ~ And "GOD" is not His name. It is a title.

Thats why Christians use GOD for the title & name of the All mighty...its general an not disrespectful in anyway...His name is Holy & should be respected...jus my 2 bits...xo



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:15 PM

Lawabider,

You are certianly correct about the word repent being found in the Gospel. But repent from what? I assume you think it means to repent from your sins? I would disagree, for one,the Gospel does not use that wording anywhere, ie : nowhere does it say; "repent of your sins" in connection with the Gospel. ----wish I could see the look on your face about now : )

Secondly the meaning is to repent from trying to obtain righteousness through your own works; this is what the Gospel is all about.

I would agree that we should repent of our sins, but I do not see this as the primary focus of the Gospel. The primary focus of the Gospel is to forgive our sins, give us new life and point us to a "New Way" of righteousness through the leading of the Holy Spirit.

ps, plenty of scripture to back that up....Old and New



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:19 PM

Lawabider,

Did you miss the Jeremiah scripture I posted about G-d divorcing Israel?

Just wondering?



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:27 PM

@twosparrows:



Do rainbows remain? Are you expecting a flood any time soon? Why do these OT words that G-d spoke still apply but the ones you don't want to obey do not?



Oh slow of hearing and hard-hearted, it is not me that you challenge.



There is plenty of support the Truth in the NT, but would you hear it? You needn't look further than the epistles of Paul... addressing the Gentiles in Rome, he writes:



"Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:6-13, KJV)"



And again he writes,



"For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? (Romans 2:25-27, KJV)"



What is Circumcision again? Remember? Paul tells us in Ephesians 2. He uses Circumcision to refer to being Jewish. And Uncircumcision? Being Gentile. Does it profit being Jewish? Yes, if you keep the Law. But if you don't keep the Law, being Jewish won't help you! And if the Gentile keeps the righteousness of the Law, he will be counted among the people of G-d. And even the Gentile by nature, IF THEY FULFILL THE LAW, will judge those who break the Law!



He continues,



"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:27-31, KJV)"



Establish above is translated from the Greek word HISTEMI, which means "to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set" (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2476&t=KJV)



He continues,



"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. (Romans 7:7, KJV)"



As John says, SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.



Paul continues,



"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans 7:12, KJV)"



"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: (Romans 7:22, KJV)"



"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Romans 7:25, KJV)"



"There is therefore now no condemnation to them WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Romans 8:1-11, KJV)"



G-d's Law is not the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is your own propensity to sin. The soul than abides in sin will die. G-d sent His Son Jesus to condemn sin, so that the righteousness of G-d's Law can be fulfilled by us who don't walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The mind that is set on the flesh is opposed to G-d. Why? It does not submit to G-d's Law! So they who are in the flesh, who don't submit to G-d's Law can't please G-d! This should remind us of what is written elsewhere: Without faith, it is impossible to please G-d. And as James says, faith without works is dead!



Paul continues,



"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; (Romans 9:30-32, KJV)"



What is Paul saying? That the Law of G-d is sin? NO! See Romans 7:7 above. The problem is in seeking to be justified by works.



So did Paul reject G-d's Law? NEVER. Did he teach others to reject G-d's Law? Never. These lies were around in his day, too, as we see in Acts 21:



"And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. (Acts 21:18-24, KJV)"



And we are warned about misreading Paul by Peter. Take heed:



"Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. (2 Peter 3:14-17, KJV)"



The word translated "wicked" above is from the Greek word ATHESMOS, which means "one who breaks through the restraint of law and gratifies his lusts" (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G113&t=KJV)



"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the ENTOLE (COMMAND) of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12, KJV)"



Take heed.



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:43 PM

@twosparrows:



No I did not miss it, but clearly you missed the historical context and even the context of the place in Jeremiah where your one verse quote appears, not to mention Paul's warning:



"Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee. (Romans 11:18-21, KJV)"



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:51 PM

@GodsJude:



Thank you for responding. Amen. And speaking of which, for the Sacred Name(ers) among us, notice that Jesus Christ is never once quoted in the NT as using the Name, and neither do His disciples use the Name. Circumlocution worked for them. It should be sufficient for us.



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Posted : 14 Dec, 2010 03:54 PM

Lawabider,

My challenge IS with you, it is not with scripture, nor with G-d, nor with the Law. My challenge is with your turning the Gospel in to something it is not.

Galatians 1:6-7 " I am amazed if you are so quickly deserting in Him to call you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel, which is really not another; there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ."

The scripture goes on but out of respect I will not post it, but suggest you read the following verse.

(You are a few posts behind mine so I'll wait for you to address those of mine you may have missed)

---the call to heed is given when it should be taken---

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