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It's Time to Get Serious People
Posted : 13 Dec, 2010 05:27 PM

I love you, so I'm going to tell you some hard truth, as it is written "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. (Leviticus 19:17, KJV)"



My profile was getting crowded with much of this, so I'm putting it here instead for those who are truly seeking, who are really searching for G-d's Will. I don't know everything. Far from it. But this I do know: Most professing Christians are not going to make it. Sadly.



As I'm entering this, one of the random women suggestions above, which CDfF.com has delivered, is a picture not of a woman, but of a black square instead, which contains the words "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME". How appropriate. Indeed, this is the prevailing attitude of this wicked generation, who thinks they can live however they like without incurring His Judgment. Most of us will not hear the Truth. The sad fact is that GOD WILL JUDGE YOU if you refuse to repent of your sin. You are supposed to work out your salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING (Philippians 2:12).



Personally, I'm not looking for a Christian woman, at least not what is common among 'Christianity'. I'm looking for a follower of G-d's Messiah, whose priority is truly following Him rather than men; following Christ Jesus by the Spirit of Christ and in accordance with what is written... not a denomination, not a pastor, not the latest teaching, nor your feelings, nor your friends, and certainly not the majority of professing Christians. Christianity is plagued with traditions of men that nullify the commandment of G-d, which Christ Jesus HATES (See Mark 7:7-9). "But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. (Matthew 15:13, KJV)" To have a hope, we must give Him our lives, and if you've given Him your life, it's no longer yours to do with as you please. It's His.



Most people I come across who profess to be Christians are not really following Christ Jesus. To someone who is really in Messiah, it is very obvious. When you truly step out of the world, it is shocking to see how a part of the world the overwhelming majority of professing Christians are in the world; integral. Unfortunately, though not surprisingly, most professing Christians don't even realize they are not actually following Christ, but the sad truth of the matter is that most professing Christians follow man, and, sadly, are headed straight for destruction as a result. It very well could be that you are just such a person, even likely, so let this be a warning to you if you hear His voice as you read this. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 9:10).



The Master says, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (ANOMIA; LAWLESSNESS!). (Matthew 7:21-23, KJV)" Not all believers are "saved," despite what man will tell you. As James says, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:19-20, KJV)"



"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of ANOMIA. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out. (Luke 13:23-28, KJV)"



The Master says, "If any will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow ME. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. (Luke 9:23-24, KJV)" If you really follow him, frankly, you will hardly fit in anywhere. As He says, "Because ANOMIA will abound, the love of many will wax cold. (Matthew 24:12)" "My sheep respond to my voice, and I know who they are. (John 10:27, KJV)" If your goal is to fit in with most Christians and have a nice cozy life --- if your goal is to fit in at the average church --- sorry, you're not really following the Master. It's time to wake up people.



So what's the difference between the real believer and the imposter? We should be in the world, not of the world, set apart by His Spirit, WHOLLY OBEDIENT TO HIS COMMANDMENT. We do not pick and choose which commandments to obey. The soul that abides in sin shall die (Ezekiel 18:20). Unfortunately, most Christians fail to understand what, precisely, sin is. Sin is transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4), as given to Israel by G-d through His humble servant Moses. And it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before G-d, but the doers of the Law will be justified (Romans 2:13). Being Jewish doesn't matter, nor being Gentile; what matters is that you become a new creation in Messiah, who keeps the commandment of G-d (Galatians 6:15, 1 Corinthians 7:19)! The LORD changes not!



Fellowship and worship on the first day of the week if you like, but don't reject the G-d-given 7th day Sabbath, nor His feasts, and stop eating what is not food, stop celebrating pagan festivals. Wives, be reconciled to your husbands or remain alone. Stop believing the lie that G-d's grace means it's okay to sin, or that you cannot sin in Messiah even though you do! Don't be absurd. This passage in John's epistle means you are not in Messiah if you abide in sin! If you are truly in Messiah, you cannot abide sin just as HE CANNOT ABIDE SIN! He who says he abides in Messiah and lives in sin is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4)! Don't be deceived. Unless you repent, you will perish (Luke 13:3,5).



Some follow Rome, some follow Luther, some John Calvin... some THINK they follow Paul, but 'Is Christ divided?' as Paul so aptly said (1 Corinthians 1:10-15). Blessed are they, rather, who hear the Word of God and obey (Luke 11:28). Traditions are unacceptable if they nullify the Law of God in any way. THAT is the test. As He said: I have not come to destroy the Law. Whoever breaks one of the least of these instructions will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven, and unless your righteousness in these matters exceeds that of the scribes and the Pharisees, you certainly will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:17-20)! But hey, believe what you will. As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD (Joshua 24:15).



So let's love Him every day with all our hearts, souls, minds, resources, and love our neighbours as ourselves. Interestingly, those two instructions are not found in the Ten Commandments, but elsewhere in the Law; in Deuteronomy and in Leviticus respectively! That fact should speak volumes to you about the accuracy of the common understanding of the words of Jesus ('We must keep the Ten Commandments...'). It's true, but not the way most people mean to say. As it is written, 'The commandment is a lamp and the law is light, and reproofs of instruction are the way of life. (Prov. 6:23)' Do you have one without the other? Or have you not then turned the lamp off??!



So what did Jesus mean when he said the most important commandment of all is 'HEAR O Israel' (Mk. 12). Most professing Christians prefer to quote this occurrence as it appears in Matthew, which leaves this critical demand out. Most, I find, tend to say '...as long as I love God and love my neighbour, it's all good, even if I choose not to live entirely by the Word,' but WHAT IS LOVE? How do we know whether or not we love? The word translated in Mark 12 as HEAR (SHEMA, see Deut. 6, which means HEAR/LISTEN/OBEY) is the key to love. As John says, 'the love of God is that we keep His commandment, and his commandment are not grievous. (1 John 5:3)' And likewise, 'By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandment. (1 John 5:2)'



How do we know, then, that a husband loves his wife, and a wife her husband? What about their children? A son his parents? Parents their children? Hopefully you guessed it hopefully... So don't forget SHEMA! When we SHEMA to the best of our ability, we THEREFORE love God and love our neighbour; and you can then know, therefore, that you will love your husband or wife as yourself. If this sounds insane to you, then you haven't yet really met Jesus. Search for him. Search for him with all your heart and you will find him.



And stop following men! Follow Jesus! Meditate on the Scriptures, seeking the illumination that only the Word of G-d can provide by His Spirit, and act on it! Stop paying heed to your frivolous feelings, attributed to the Holy Spirit, that are not consistent with Scripture ('I feel like the Spirit is telling me it is okay to not obey this time...'). The heart is deceitful above all and desparately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). Test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1).



Feel free to message me if you have any questions. G-d willing, He will give me the wisdom to respond appropriately. But please, the above is Scripture. If you don't agree, take it up with Jesus.





P.S. To the divorced on here, I'm curious what you think:



How do you interpret the words of Jesus? ...maybe no one has brought your attention to these words before:



In Luke 16:18 and Matthew 5:32 (see also Mark 10:10), Jesus is recorded as saying he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. (ESV)



Likewise, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, Jesus says through the Apostle Paul "To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife."



Just prior to that, Paul writes the following:



"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral....will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)



I'm just doing the math here. It seems pretty logical to me, but maybe I'm missing something... The LORD says marrying a divorced woman is committing adultery, which is sexual immorality, and Paul warns us that the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom of God.



Are you quite sure you want to remarry?



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 10:24 AM

@twosparrows:



You are mistaken in thinking you need to remind me that I need the Grace of G-d. As I have already said to you, no one is perfect. We are not good enough to make it on our own. We absolutely need Jesus to save us. But the Grace of G-d demands strict obedience to G-d's instruction, free of willful sin, which most the professing Christian world has rejected for their own tradition. Since Jesus addressed this issue specifically in His exchanges with the scribes and the Pharisees (See Mark 7 for example), which was recorded for our sakes, don't you think professing Christians will likewise be called HYPOCRITES if they do the same, which they do? They will, and it will be even worse for them...



"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

- Hebrews 10:26-31, KJV



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 11:28 AM

Lawabider

Let me ask you why after everytime you say what I am saying you twist my words?

Why can't you just be honest?

Can you answer?

I did not say to "tone it down", I said from the beginning your message lacks balance.

I will not deny that you think God told you to post this message. I think he asked you to so that you would be confronted with the truth and repent. You handle the Word of G-d like a hammer, not like a Sword. You need to repent from harming G-d's children. Use the Sword to expose sin and cut it out, then give them a helping hand up. Don't beat them down with a hammer and leave them laying in a pool of their own blood.

The Word of G-d is a double edged sword.

Do you know why it is double edged brother?

Because it is not only used on others, but yourself as well.



The Pharisees obeyed the law. But they did not keep the spirit of the law. I Believe this is what G-d wants you to acknowledge.... And practice. When you can do that.... Then preach it!



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 11:50 AM

All we can do is pray that some of his sharpness has been softened. Right from the beginning, his arrogance was revealed. He calls it teaching...yet even the teachers I work with are willing to listen and perhaps consider other things. To challenge people to think about what they profess is one thing, and I believe a good thing, but here we have a classic example of what we all can potentially become.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 12:05 PM

@twosparrows:



Who are you to say what I think G-d told me to do? Show me where I ever said that G-d told me to post this. I most certainly did not say this. In fact, I specifically opened with "My profile was getting crowded with much of this, so I'm putting it here instead for those who are truly seeking, who are really searching for G-d's Will."



And, if you were paying attention, which clearly you have not been, I have since specifically stated (twice now if I recall correctly) that the Spirit quickly reprimanded me after I posted this because it was not His initiative but my own, but did specifically say that I must nevertheless defend the position for His sake [because it is the Truth].



As I have said to you all along, you are not opposing me. You are telling me what you think and what you believe, but I am obeying an instruction I received from the Master, whom you are not. I am not hammering anyone specifically here except those who openly and flagrantly contradict the Word of G-d.



No, rather, in obedience, I have been sure to not be silent and let anyone think that their rejection of the commandment of G-d is okay because of Grace if they admit to believing this, and I have patiently responded AS INSTRUCTED, with Scripture, which even that you criticize. I am in obedience here my contentious neighbor, so don't tell me what you THINK and BELIEVE G-d wants me to learn. It is He who told me to persist.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 12:07 PM

Seaturtle,

Good words, a call to remember our attitude when presenting scripture to others, a attitude to heal and not to harm, a attitude to save and not condemn, to seperate sin and sinner.

Reminds me of a saying:

" A person is never 'good for nothing' ; they are always good for a 'bad example' "

Yes, I do pray our brother sees the big picture, he has the heart, but lacks the heart...if you know what I mean.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 12:12 PM

@RidleySeaTurtle:



Pray for wisdom instead.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 12:22 PM

@twosparrows:



I lack so much heart that I am still here trying to help you see that you are kicking against the goads... my poor contentious neighbor.



Grace and mercy to you in Christ.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 12:37 PM

20Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:



21She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,



22How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?



23Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.



24Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;



25But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:



26I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;



27When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.



28Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:



29For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:



30They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.



31Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.



32For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.



33But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 01:03 PM

Lawabider,

It is funny you would que on the phrase about thinking G-d was telling you to post, and not answer the specific questions I asked. I could go back and check, maybe I misunderstood what you wrote, but it doesn't matter, it has already been established you twist what others say and have refused to repent from it. It is a good thing you are discussing with a Christian who offers you Grace and still calls you ' brother'. If you twisted unbelievers words the same way you would call your reputation into question and the Gospel with it.

So lets move on to a new question:

You repeatedly say that I am mistaken, and you are right.

What does the Bible say about a 27 year old man, and man who has been a Spirit filled Christian almost twice as long as you have been alive?

Shouldn't you at least be open and asking questions, unless your pride prohibits it. Even I have asked you many questions.

You may be keeping the commandments outwardly but just in this short time of discussing with you I see you need to repent of :

1) Using the Word of G-d as a club.

2) Being intellectually dishonest and twisting peoples words.

3) Pride



Didn't Satan because he was pridefull, twist Gods words, and ever since use them to beat people down?........ until Jesus came.



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Posted : 22 Dec, 2010 01:14 PM

I do understand, twosparrows. I am ashamed to admit, but I fear as a young believer, my zeal lacked "the heart" as you put it. I was in high school, and I can clearly remember some concerned looks from youth leaders. While I never would have considered myself a legalistic teen, I believe I was ignorant in many ways.



It breaks my heart when I hear or see the reactions of people who were/are victims of people such as Randall Terry (Operation Rescue), Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church), or Terry Jones (Burn a Quran Day). We are all still responsible for how we represent Christ, and what we do in His name no matter what our intentions are. I think it is sooooooo easy to forget what it was like before I accepted Christ, that He allows me to overeat humble pie as a reminder!:eat: (giggle)

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