Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 2 Feb, 2012 11:28 PM
Thanks to a question about divorce and remarriage posted on another thread, I felt the need to address those on this site who may be suffering from the weight of guilt and condemnation heaped on them because of their reasons for divorce.
I wrote the following article, "The Stone Thrower", based on actual instances that happened on this site. If you are one of those who have been ostracized by others for having an "Unbiblical Divorce," please take the time to read. May it minister to your heart.
The Stone Thrower
I want to touch on a subject today that has long been regarded in Christendom as taboo . . . and that is . . . DIVORCE. Mention that word around some Christians and their hackles suddenly go up on the back of their neck. They pull out their proverbial stones ready to put to death anyone who they think has been un-biblically divorced. And to my shame, I was one of them�a stone thrower.
We all know the story of the woman caught in adultery in John 8:3-11. The scribes and Pharisees (the religious self-righteous) had arrested this woman and dragged her before Jesus. One has to wonder how these Pharisees caught such a woman "in the very act" of adultery. How convenient for them. It's amazing the depths of depravity the self-righteous will sink to in order to defend their religious arguments. Did they have the paparazzi spy on her to get some juicy pictures for the whole world to see?
At any rate, they dragged this poor woman in front of Jesus and proudly proclaimed, "Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?" (John 8:5)
Zowie!! These men can quote the Word of God . . . at least the parts that suit their fancy.
I like our Lord's reaction. "But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear" (John 8:6b).
Don't you just love it when someone ignores you . . . especially when you're trying to win an argument? But the self-righteous rarely lie down without a fight, and those religious Pharisees were determined to prove that they had the "truth." So they continued pestering Jesus, knowing that the Law of Moses was on their side. It's not a good idea to pester Jesus, especially when it comes to "pointing a finger" at someone.
"So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.' And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst" (John 8:7-9).
This introductory story of the woman caught in adultery has a purpose: I wanted you to have a glimpse of the mentality of a "stone thrower." They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. Ouch . . . I just described me.
I had a clear cut answer for the reasons one might give to justify divorce which I thought was quite Biblical. And in my mind, there was only one reason . . . "But I say to you, that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except for sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 5:32). There you have it�plain and simple. Who could argue with such a statement? It is the Word of God! I thought I had the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . . . yet the truth is . . . I was ignorant of the ways of God. "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
And it was in my ignorance to God's ways that I threw stones at the divorced ladies on a Christian dating site some time ago. As a widower, I was on this site looking for a prospective wife. I was so appalled at the amount of women who were divorced on this site whose reasons for separating from their husbands did not match my view of scripture. In order to protect myself from these "contaminated souls," I purposely wrote something in my profile for those that I would consider as wife material: "You may be single, widowed, or divorced (must be for Biblical reasons only)."
When I would communicate with these divorced ladies, I would immediately ask them to provide details on the reason for their divorce. If they could not give me an answer of infidelity as the reason for their divorce, then I considered them unmarriageable. Yet God has a way of grabbing His child's attention when that child is in error.
One of the ladies on this dating site told me her story of divorce after I demanded it. Her husband was deep in bondage to pornography and had no interest whatsoever in repentance. The man had not physically hopped into bed with another woman, and so in my self-righteousness, I condemned the poor wife for wanting to opt out on the marriage. And the "stones" that I threw created fresh wounds in her heart while she recounted those painful memories of her husband's infidelity as he lusted after porn. According to Jesus' own words, her husband WAS GUILTY of adultery: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). I ignored that scripture and concentrated only on Matthew 5:32. She lashed out at me, saying that she was glad Jesus did not condemn her even if I did. I have to admit, I was shaken by her story which moved me to tears.
Then there was another lady whom I demanded to give an account for her divorce. I threw "stones" at her as well when she could not give me a reason of infidelity for her separation. In bitter anger, she struck back at me, stating how her husband had broken her nose and physically abused her. I ignored the scripture which reads, "But God has called us to peace" (1 Corinthians 7:15b) and concentrated again on Matthew 5:32. However, her story bothered me very much just like the other woman's.
I began to seek God earnestly. These were only two of the many ladies who shared with me their heartbreaking stories of divorce. There were so many reasons given for divorce and none of them fell under sexual immorality (fornication) as I saw it. I sincerely asked the Lord to open my eyes. Was there any scriptural evidence to support these women's choices to opt out of a marriage other than infidelity? Yes, there was.
God led me to Matthew 19:3-12. The Pharisees were looking for a reason to trap Jesus in His words. Their previous scheme had not worked with the woman caught in adultery. However, if they could just get Jesus to say something contradictory to the Law of Moses, then they could brand Him as a heretic. So they asked Jesus this question, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" (Matthew 19:3b)
Jesus' answer was, and still is, God's original intention for marriage: "Have you not read . . . the two shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:5b-6).
The Pharisees did not like His answer. For Jesus had taken them right back to Genesis before there ever was a Moses or a Law of Moses so that they could hear what GOD SAYS about marriage. Yet the stiff-necked Pharisees persisted with another question: "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" (Matthew 19:7)
Jesus responds, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:8).
The self-righteous Pharisees were using the Law of Moses as an excuse to bail out on marriages for any flippant reason. And because of this, the Lord had some very strong words for them. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 19:9).
I can just hear the stone throwers shouting, "See, I told you . . . it's right there in the word . . . 'sexual immorality!'"
Wait a minute. Like Paul Harvey, let's hear "the rest of the story" before jumping to any conclusions. After verse 9 comes verse 10. Even Jesus' disciples, which would include us, were amazed at the words of Jesus. "His disciples said to Him, 'If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry'" (Matthew 19:10). Yeah, I can see their point. If sexual immorality (fornication) is the only reason for divorce, then perhaps we are better off not getting married.
But look at Jesus' response to his own disciples in verse 11. It stands to reason that if the disciples' statement was true, then Jesus would have said something to affirm it as such. He does not!
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce.
Now notice that Jesus goes on to explain what He meant with the following verse:
"For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it" (Matthew 19:12).
What did Jesus mean by this? He tells us that three different men all became eunuchs for different reasons. One was born a eunuch, another was made a eunuch by men, and still another made himself that way for the kingdom of heaven. They all became eunuchs for different reasons, but who is to say which eunuch is "God approved"? God accepted them all. That's the point!
Likewise, there are many reasons someone might seek a divorce: physical and verbal abuse from a spouse . . . being married to an unbeliever who makes life a literal hell . . . marital unfaithfulness . . . the stress of being married to an alcoholic for 23 years . . . or living with a pornographer who refuses to repent. Which one of these reasons for divorce is "God approved"? That's the point Jesus was making. Just as the eunuchs were acceptable to God regardless of how they became a eunuch, so also is a woman acceptable to God who seeks to be free from an abusive husband, even if infidelity is not involved. You and I cannot see in the heart of that abused person . . . but God can. For God has called them to peace.
And the church has done more harm counselling emotionally and physically battered women to stay in a relationship citing Matthew 5:32 "except for sexual immorality" as the only just cause for divorce. Women have actually committed suicide and murder under the stress of remaining in an abusive situation because their legalistic church counseled them to do so.
You may have heard of the case in the U.S. where a lady killed her husband (a pastor) who had been abusing her for years. God had called her to peace . . . but she never knew it, and one day she snapped. The evidence of abuse was so overwhelming that the courts found this woman not guilty of murder by reason of insanity.
I certainly do not want to imply that people should take their marriage so lightly as to divorce for every whim and fancy. I would not condone that, and neither does the Word of God. Every marriage will have its share of problems which can be worked out with God's help by two committed individuals. Yet there are some women, especially those suffering physical and mental abuse, who have reached the tipping point of no return; and the only thing they can do to preserve their sanity is to get out of that marriage. And ultimately, it is to the Lord they answer to, not you or me. He has called them to peace.
After God opened my eyes to the truth of scripture, I contacted those ladies on the dating site who I had thrown "stones" at and apologized profusely. I was truly grieved that I had been so self-righteous and blind, wounding those precious sisters for whom Christ died.
Now back to the story that I began with. The "stone throwers" had already dropped their rocks and left the scene with a guilty conscience, leaving Jesus alone with the adulterous woman.
"He said to her, 'Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?'"
"She said, 'No one, Lord.'"
"And Jesus said to her, 'Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more'" (John 8:10b-11).
HALLELUJAH�MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGMENT!!!
Blessings in Christ Jesus,
Paul Janz
(All Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New King James Version.)
"The Stone Thrower" Copyright � 2010 by Paul Janz.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 02:43 PM
Singer, Since you checked out my profile, it should have been clear to you that I am already divorced...not going through divorce. � You are already condemning without knowing any circumstances, because I didn't provide them in my profile or on these posts.
I used to believe I could do something that would cause God to reject me after receiving His free gift of eternal life. �Then I learned that His gift of eternal life is irrevocable...I am no longer chained to works to prove I am His child. �Just as I can't change who my biological parents are, I can't be unadopted by my Heavenly Father.
Romans 8:31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Once I am in Gd's family, Nothing can separate me from Him.
Matthew 5:20�For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
� �These are words from Jesus...looks like none of us will make it into heaven...but that is not the case..
The verses you provided show that once I am under grace the law does not apply.
As for divorce and remarriage, here are just some of the verses that don't get reviewed by legalists...
Hosea 2:2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her b*****;
Hosea 2:7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband;�for then was it better with me than now.
Hosea 4:14 I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with w*****, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall.
Leviticus 21:13-14 �And he shall take a wife in her virginity. �A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.
�� � Moses is giving God's directions for priests. �If it wasn't possible for a divorced woman to remarry, she would not be mentioned here in the list of options.�
Ezekiel 44:22 �Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.
�Deuteronomy 24:1-2 is very clear about divorce after marriage and then remarriage. �
24 �1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.�
Isaiah 50:1 �Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
��The bill of divorcement here is given to a mother...someone who was fully married.
There are plenty of other verses but I will not waste my time presenting them to you as I am quite at peace with God over the matter. �I know what is in the Bible... I know the arguments for and against. �I know how verses are cherry picked and presented. �
Bob, as for the police officer example...that's not even relevant as I obey God when men's laws are contradictory.�
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 03:09 PM
Teach_ib
If you believe that you are not subject to the commands/laws of Yahweh, then what law are you subject to?
Law is an inescapable concept.
"Bob, as for the police officer example...that's not even relevant as I obey God when men's laws are contradictory." What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? It has nothing whatsoever to do with anything in my post to you.
Your own words are an indictment against you. You say that " you obey God". Without the commands/laws of God, how do you know what to obey? You must know WHAT to obey before you can obey anything. True or not true?
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 03:34 PM
"Your own words are an indictment against you. You say that " you obey God". Without the commands/laws of God, how do you know what to obey? You must know WHAT to obey before you can obey anything. True or not true?"
I never said I didn't obey God's commandments. That is something you inferred from my statement that I am not under the law. Singer clearly showed through the verses he posted that I am under grace.
It seems you are looking for reasons to condemn...you have no idea who I am, what I believe, what studying I have done, yet want to tell me where I am wrong.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 04:06 PM
I am trying to understand your position which is schizophrenic.
On the one hand you claim that you obey God's commands and on the other you say that the commands are somehow negated by grace-- that you are not obligated to obey them.
So, I am asking you, which is it?
As I asked you before, without the commands/laws of God, how do you know what to obey? You must know WHAT to obey before you can obey anything. True or not true?
"It seems you are looking for reasons to condemn...you have no idea who I am, what I believe, what studying I have done, yet want to tell me where I am wrong. " Really? I have asked you very clear and direct questions which you still have not answered. Perhaps, your lack of understanding is what condemns you. Even if I was pointing out to you the error in your reasoning, so what? Are you so prideful that you are unwilling to heed correction? Do I need to know you personally to know that what you wrote is errant?
In actuality, you are the one who has condemned me - for being a "legalist". Were you looking for a reason to condemn me? What is a legalist by your definition?
Maybe you are a STONE THROWER. According to Paul's article you just might be.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 07:21 PM
Dear teach ib,
Thank you again for sharing. Your latest post was worth repeating in its entirety. It's excellent and well done. Here are some of the highlights:
"Singer, Since you checked out my profile, it should have been clear to you that I am already divorced...not going through divorce. You are already condemning without knowing any circumstances, because I didn't provide them in my profile or on these posts."
"I used to believe I could do something that would cause God to reject me after receiving His free gift of eternal life. Then I learned that His gift of eternal life is irrevocable...I am no longer chained to works to prove I am His child. Just as I can't change who my biological parents are, I can't be unadopted by my Heavenly Father."
"Romans 8:31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord"
"Deuteronomy 24:1-2 is very clear about divorce after marriage and then remarriage."
"24 1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."
"There are plenty of other verses but I will not waste my time presenting them to you as I am quite at peace with God over the matter. I know what is in the Bible... I know the arguments for and against. I know how verses are cherry picked and presented."
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 07:24 PM
Singer4u and BobBobbins. You have filled this forum with your verbatim, your lies, your false accusations, your slander, and your mockery, trying to prove to the readers that you are learned men of God who have the truth, yet all the while proving to us something quite different. "But the self-righteous rarely lie down without a fight, and those religious Pharisees were determined to prove that they had the 'truth'" (from the article, The Stone Thrower).
"For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
"But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice . . .'" (Matthew 9:13).
"He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what the Lord requires of you. But to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God" (Micah 6:8).
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 07:51 PM
Paul,
Try reading the first verse of the chapter. It creates the context for what follows. Unfortunately for you, context matters.
James 2:1 MY brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons."
This entire chapter is about being a "respecter of persons" - showing favor to the rich while ignoring the poor - an injustice.
It is not about excusing willful disobedience to God under the guise of "mercy" Following your logic, every time God gives a command, we should just all yell " I don't care what you say God, mercy triumphs over judgement"
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Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 08:06 PM
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice, FOR I AM NOT COME TO CALL THE RIGHTEOUS BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE. Matt 9:13
Oops Paul, you left out that second half of the verse, didn't you? Do you see what Jesus is calling them to do: REPENT. Repent of what? Their sin! What is sin? It's transgressing the laws of God.
To whom is the mercy shown? Sinners (those without Christ). What is the mercy that is shown? The call to repentance.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 09:57 PM
Teach ib, I misunderstood your words nad thought you were going through a divorce. I apoligize.
I know the verses you provided from Hosea and can tell you what they mean. However, those in Hosea Yahweh had Hosea marry Gomer to prove a point about his mercy toward his chosen people which has to do how he will forgive. Gomer committed adultery but Hosea restored her time ande again and they had a marriage and no remmarriage to any others. Shows longsuffering and Yahweh's point. He wants us to repent and walk in obediance.
The one verse you cited I am glad you posted it. Thank you: This is the one I will address because it has the only relevance toward marriages since the law was given with Moses and where we all are now. From the law to the new covenant which is presently where we are.
I first will establish this verse as a basis:
Leviticus 21:7 'They shall not take a wife who is a harlot or a defiled woman, nor shall they take a woman divorced from her husband; for the priest is holy to his Elohim. (Today we are all priests unto Yahweh through Yahushua the messiah).
In fact, when divorce is mentioned in Deuteronomy 24, the divorced and remarried wife is called "defiled":
Deuteronomy 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before Yahweh: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which Yahweh thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance.
To those with ears to hear, a clear impression is given. Divorce is not really part of Yahweh's plan for Israel, and it is not the will of Yahweh. So it makes sense that when Yahushua was asked if a man can "divorce his wife for any reason?", He gave this answer:
Matthew 19:4-5 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' 5 "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'
This being Yahweh's original plan it is the basis for all marriages especially when the two are both believers and priests unto Yahweh and betrothed to Messiah by our belief from Romans 10 vs 9 and 10. these are marriage vows to Messiah to take his covenant upon your lips and confess him. ( All the bible scholars agree on this point feel free to check this out)
As for the divorce decree which Moses allowed and is stated in DeutronomyThey said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" 8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
In the above two verses, notice that the Pharisees said that Moshe commanded to give a certificate of divorce, but Yahushua said that Moshe "permitted you to divorce your wives." I find this to be quite interesting and I think it warrants an investigation as to whether it was commanded or permitted. The scripture in question is Deuteronomy 24. We will first examine these verses in King James Version:
Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
Notice it says here, "let him write" her a bill of divorcement. "Let him write" is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "w'katab". The w' at the beginning of the word is a particle conjunction, commonly translated "and". Also, it says in this translation, "she may go" and be another man's wife. The word translated "she may go" is mistranslation of "w'halkah" because it ignores the particle injunction completely. I'm far from being alone in this assessment. Later translations recognized this and made the necessary corrections:
(New King James) Deuteronomy 24:1 "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 "when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man's wife,
(New Revised Standard) Deuteronomy 24:1 Suppose a man enters into marriage with a woman, but she does not please him because he finds something objectionable about her, and so he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house; she then leaves his house 2 and goes off to become another man's wife.
(New International Version) Deuteronomy 24:1 If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man,
(The Scriptures) Deuteronomy 24:1 "When a man takes a wife and shall marry her, then it shall be, if she finds no favour in his eyes because he has found a matter of uncoveredness in her, and he shall write her a certificate of divorce, and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house, 2 and if she left his house and went and became another man's wife,
(New American Standard) Deuteronomy 24:1 "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, 2 and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man's wife,
The reason why this is important is because it completely changes the meaning of Deuteronomy 24. Rather than the scripture being a ruling on whether or not divorce and remarriage is permissible ("let him write her a bill of divorcement" and "she may go and be another man's wife"), or for what reasons divorce would be permissible, it actually is a ruling on whether a man can take back his divorced wife after she has been married to another man. Read it with this in mind:
(New American Standard) Deuteronomy 24:1-4 "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, 2 and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man's wife, 3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before Yahweh, and you shall not bring sin on the land which Yahweh your Elohim gives you as an inheritance.
So the issue here is not one of whether Yahweh agrees with divorcing, or even the reasons for which a man may divorce his wife, but whether a man can take back his former wife after she married someone else. The answer is, "that is an abomination before Yahweh." In fact, she is considered "defiled" after she married another man
Teac ib, I am not into condemnation but only into convicting. I do not know all the circumstances of your divorce or whether your mate did adultery or not. All i am saying is make sure that you do all things according to scripture when you do something such as divorce or scripturally in the aftermath of it.
This in case you are wrong about being once saved always saved. I can show so many more scriptures to prove that I believe we must endure to the end to be saved and to make our calling and election sure as the word declares.
Don't take chances I implore you test all you have been taught and especially what these so called Tv preachers preach with their watered down money grabbing messages! I was raised a baptist, but my heart convicted me that what they preached wasn't true. They said all I had to do was believe in Jesus and confess him with my mouth and then I could go do as I pleased. It was fire insurance only. They didn't tell me Yahweh wants me to live holy and live by every word!
Explain to me Hebrews 10 vs 26 in light of 1 John vs. 9 please? You will see their is a balance to it all concerning our faith.
Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't know what I'm talking about as paul says. I am willing to become foolish again to become wise so that I listen to the RuachHaKadesh the Holy Spirit on all matters pertaining to truth. I appreciate your dialogue and will gladly compare scriptures with you on a point by point basis.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 6 Jun, 2012 10:06 PM
Paul there you go lying again! We are not self righteous! Bob and I admit we are saved by grace by belief in Messiah Yahushua from Nazareth. He purchased us with his blood and made us priests with him of the order of Melkisadek as he is himself also! We are of his bride and called to be faithful to our husband by obeying him and having enough oil in our lamps when he comes thereby being wise virgins so that we are ready when the bridegroom cometh!
Don't say self righteous for clearly admitted we are saved by messiah to obey him and have become partakers of his Holy Spirit.
You are the one calling us stone throwers just because we didn't agree with your teaching because you left many verses out that Messiah himself said concerning divorce and remmarriage between believers. You addressed all marriages the same in your thesis.
Yet theres 1 corrinthians 7 vs 10 and 11 and romans 7 vs 2 and 3 and 1 corrinthians 7 vs 38 and 39, and also hebrews 10 vs 26 and 13 vs 4 in with your teaching which are all applicable.
We only want truth from Yahweh here and not man's opinions!!!!!!!!
