Author	Thread: i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 23 Jun, 2011 09:40 AM and i said why not? i don't see where in the bible does it say we need to wait? as a matter of fact i think there are worse things than divorce, like what david did to michal, not only did he reject her, but he kept her from getting a divorce and having a life with someone else! but maybe i am wrong here, please educate me ok? thanks and blessings Post Reply
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 28 Jun, 2011 07:48 AM ok victor, nobody wants to get into this thing with you but i will! lets call me AHABitual and you will be victor ok victor: ok AHABitual : why wait? victor: people always say waiting is good, healing, getting over the whole marriage thing AHABitual: let me ask you something victor, in the bible times, did people have bad marriages? did people have bad lives? did women and men have spouses killed in front of them, kids killed in front of them, got raped, and got divorced in the bible? victor: yes they did AHABitual: even worse than that! women were having these things done in front of them! their eyes saw all things happen, kids killed, husbands, then they were dragged away! raped by conquerors, and if they didn't please their hsbands, they were given a writing of divorce, and let go! they were expected to be good wives after all that! victor: comon guy were is all that in the bible! give a girl a break ok! and what guy can say all that wouldn't affect him a little ok? where is all that in the bible? AHABitual : ok i will show you, but just remember ok, these people who say 'wait" are they alone or married? victor: well most of the pastoral staff is married, doctor "so and so" who has a best selling book says it's good to wait, and what about the guy on christian radio dr whatshisface? surely he knows what he is talking about right? AHABitual: the guy with the best selling book is he married? and what about the guy on christian radio? is he married or what? victor: as far as i know these guys are married! and they have such good relationships it seems! AHABitual: exactly my point, it's one thing to say, "go on a diet", when i just had my fill of steak and potatoes, still with the toothpick in my mouth, saying to you, "yeah wait", while i have my wife next to me available! victor: ok i get your point, if they were to diet with me, then things would be different ehh? AHABitual: when the hunger strikes!....victor i am not perfect ok, i have my faults and so do you right? we both have gone down this road of bad relationships before, this time though, we will let the bible teach us and see exactly what the bible says about this so called "waiting" i hear so much about ok, lets see if it stands up against the bible, and see if this "waiting" is biblical or not ok? victor: ok, this should be good, but what about prophets who come up to us and say "thus says the Lord, you shall wait!", what about those situations? AHABitual: victor, is God the same today? as He was yesterday? has HE changed? victor: well we are under grace they say! but i think God hasn't changed, and the bible does say that, i don't know much about the bible but that verse i remember ok AHABitual: ok lets see what is what here ok, get your bible out, turn off the cellphone, don't even think about tv or other things, ok, and even if you think i am bad, i am still going with the bible here ok, i may be lucifer , king ahab husband of jezebel, king herod, judas iscariot,hilter , stalin and mao all rolled into one but, we will get to the bottom of this waiting thing for sure ok. victor:if you are ahab, bro!, why did you ever stay with that evil woman? AHABitual: she looked good in makeup! lol, but really lets get to the bottom here ok. send an email to your pastor and others who can comment on this ok, yes to the writer of those books and to the guy on christian radio ok. who knows perhaps they can school me, and educate me, and in the end isn't that the real point here? victor: well if you are the devil, you certainly have had a lot of time to know God word! lets see what you got! AHABitual:ok victor:but what if they delete this thread! AHABitual: why worry? you can copy paste it elsewhere right? there are plenty of blogs and message boards around, and besides, this just might make this site well known in christian circles! besides you can't do anything about it anyway right! so why worry!? victor: wow you seem sure of yourself! AHABitual:well there is an old spanish saying, "mas sabe el diablo por ser veijo, que por ser diablo"! victor: what is that? AHABitual:the devil is wise because he is old, not because he is the devil! victor:ok AHABitual: Deuteronomy 21:10-14: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage /?search=Deuteronomy%2021:10- 14&version=NIV 10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her. Deuteronomy 21:10-14 King James Version (KJV) 10When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; 13And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. 14And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her. and then again Deuteronomy 24:1-2 "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." does it say anything there about waiting? victor:no, not at all!? AHABitual: as a matter of fact it would appear that the transition should be quick, even under the worst of conditions doesn't it? victor: certainly it would appear that way, but why? AHABitual: because i think God wants us to get over this situation , get over this part of our lives, as bad as it seems, as quickly as possible! even in the midst of war, these women were raped perhaps, it doesn't say they had to be down with this whole being a captive thing does it? victor:no it doesn't say they had to allow the man to be her husband. it says do it! pretty rough there! and only one month to bewail! not much time is it! usually what happened here? AHABitual: usually these were virgins, usually those who were not virgins were killed, kids and everybody else were slain. but there were some exceptions ok, remember rehab the prostitute? victor:yes thats right and she got married and became family of king david! AHABitual: yeah, i think God wants us to forget as quickly as possible the bad experiences and make new good ones! where does it say, one should wait in the bible? i'm not saying one should go with the first man/woman you see. but in theory a christian should be able to live in peace and love with another christian. yes certain books help, "the five love languages " by dr gary chapman is one of them. and certainly you have gone through many for sure. but when these people use secular principals and try to make them biblical examples or truths. go to the bible! victor: this makes sense. but where did this whole thing start! AHABitual: i have heard some best seeling authors say one should wait 2 years! does it make a difference? if something is wrong...it's wrong , right? victor:huh!? AHABitual: then again victor, maybe YOU shouldn't get married!...... just kidding! Post Reply
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 28 Jun, 2011 03:09 PM victor:tell me what about 1 cor 7? AHABitual: glad you went there, you either have the gift to stay without a partner, or you don't! lets go verse by verse with that ok. 1 Corinthians 7 Concerning Married Life 1 Now for the matters you wrote about: �It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.� 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. is this a big problem in the church today? you bet! 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. see, it's all about the gift here! 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. this is a very good saying the apostle paul makes here, i personally think the guy was married, but what do i know right, he never did leave a profile for us to read! lol 10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. 12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? Concerning Change of Status 17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God�s commands is what counts. 20 Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don�t let it trouble you�although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22 For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord�s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ�s slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings. 24 Brothers and sisters, each person, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation they were in when God called them. Concerning the Unmarried 25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord�s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, what was the present crisis? could be persecution of the church right? that question is for better minds than mine ok! I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this. ok, marriage = trouble, but better to deal with trouble than to burn like verse 9 right? 29 What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; 30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away. 32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord�s affairs�how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world�how he can please his wife� 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord�s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world�how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord. ok , paul the great apostle, a guy who God used to write most of the new testament, isn't saying we should wait, he is telling us how it is, right? and one thing about the bible is that we can always count on the bible to lead us into all truth! if you don't have the gift! then that burden you must lift! victor: are you johnny cockran or something? AHABitual: no but check this out ok 36 If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong[b] and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin�this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.[c] 39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is�and I think that I too have the Spirit of God. both marriage and not marrying is ok, one is better , simple and plain, if you don't have the gift, why are you waiting? you are giving the enemy a chance to get to you through your passions! victor: perhaps your right but i want to check this out further, i have a whole lot of questions and like i said, many highly educated people say one should wait! AHABitual: ok check out the scriptures and see if what i say is true, check out the story of michal and abigail, one decided to criticize david and the other went "on the run" with david, instead of living large! abigail didn't waste any time! and that was to go on the run ok, from a king with absolute power! michal was rejected by david and she was put aside, that was even worse than divorce in my opinion. at least if she would have gotten a divorce then she could have gotten a new guy who would have perhaps made her happy. but david did the worst thing he could have done to here for sure! Post Reply
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 8 Jul, 2011 04:08 PM but don't go by me right, i may be wrong! but God does state many times in scriptures we should rejoice, and it doesn't say dwell on problems and rejoice, or sing a new song after you get better, i think you get better when you move on! read the bible yourself then let me know ok! Post Reply
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 8 Jul, 2011 04:18 PM message to dr gary chapman author of five love languages [email protected] dr chapman or whoever gets this. i bet they will get this email to you ok. well i am a separated man waiting for divorce papers. and a friend of mine is divorced like 6 or 8 months. we have dated, not each other ok,and my friend says they have to wait according to their church. i said where is that in the bible, and they couldn't tell me ok, as i read the bible i don't any example of this . maybe i have pride in my biblical knowledge, perhaps you can educate me, thank you http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=10973&forum_sub_cat_id=3 victor [winner] ismael [he who god hears] perez [son of praise] Post Reply
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 8 Jul, 2011 04:23 PM [email protected]. dear mr. chris fabry well i am a separated man waiting for divorce papers. and a friend of mine is divorced like 6 or 8 months. we have dated, not each other ok,and my friend says they have to wait according to their church. i said where is that in the bible, and they couldn't tell me ok, as i read the bible i don't see any example of this . maybe i have pride in my biblical knowledge, perhaps you can educate me, thank you http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=10973&forum_sub_cat_id=3 victor [winner] ismael [he who god hears] perez [son of praise] Post Reply
victorious52 View Profile History	i was asked why am i looking for a woman so quickly Posted : 15 Jul, 2011 06:22 AM ok some guy from the radio said jacob waited 7 years for one woman, then he waited for the real love of his life! ok but jacob wasn't divorced or separated, or am i splitting hairs here? lol and he ended up with 4 women to "help" him out, i'm just looking for one ok! Post Reply