Something new and profound I learned on a very recent experience was that:
Perfection can only be achieved in unism. Since we are the bride for Christ both ladies and man, we need one another's help to achieve the perfection that we're striving for. We surely wanna be presented before our husband without any spot or blemish hey? Then we need the next person to point out our spots and blemishes to work on while still in this kingdom, without feeling judged or false found but rather knowing the intentions are good, so one/both makes it to the finishing line.
This then makes the 'leader/helper companion' both of a strength and vulnerable position for both parties. The leading part needs to be vigilant enough to see beyond the physical beauty of his partner, and note the faults bringing them to the helpers attention. The helper needs to seek help from God in how to go about rectifying the noted faults/errors, so both parties are presented as one bride before God without blemishes, ready to meet the husband (Jesus)
The question is: Are we comfortable enough to bring our neckedness to our partners?
In Eden God meant Adam and Eve to be nacked. They implemented clothing through leaves after they sinned and having their eyes opened so they see that they were necked and ashamed. This was not something God created when he placed them in the garden.
Can we really bring our neckedness in relationships without shame when we seek to please and charm our partners so much? I'm not referring to physical neckedness dear one, i'm referring to our flops and errors that made us who we are today.
Since seeking love and acceptance so much in dating sites, how soon will it take us to put our neckedness on the table without shame or fear. Reflecting what God made in Eden when He placed those two necked without shame.
I miss you so much darling
Just thought I'll post this for you so we interact on it.
Its ok dear brother if that's what you think. I'm not going to argue or convince you otherwise. The only thing that i'm gonna say taking from what you said when saying, "Everybody wants his own law for himself/herself..." That is very true, though God's principles and protocol are not shaken or diluted by the worlds dysfunctional system taking place. Maybe guys haven't been taking their place in leadership for so long, that they don't even know that its their gender place from birth.
Before I say further things, can we first look at what I mean by God's principles and protocol.
* If a husband mistreats his wife, his prayers are gonna be hindered. Period! Its less of what she did, but more of how he treats her.
* "Wives submit to your husbands" What happened to Queen Vashti when she failed to coperate with given instructions from her husband? She was demoted. She could have had a valid reason for not coperating, i'm very interested in her side of the story. Pity we're not told much about her reasons of not submitting.
* "Children obey your parents in the Lord, so you can have longer days" (Could be misquoting all these versus right now. I hope that, the Holly Spirit will help you understand them in how they are written in the bible)
* "Servants submit to your musters even in hardship" David is the most best example of this as I said earlier. He submitted under hard leadership from Soul.
Those are the few principles I can come up with right now.... Another one is about tithing, so God can release benefits in-line with your 10%.
The question is: What happens if I don't tithe yet employed? Will my valid reasons stop me from undergoing curses of not tithing?
Will praying too much yet failing to obey my earthly parents give me long life on earth?
Are prayers of an abusive husband heard by God cause he has 'solid reasons' for beating her? Nope! Its a two way traffic. You do what is necessary for God to do His part, end of the story. This is where I'm coming from when saying, "Please don't confuse God's principles with the worlds system. I hope we both are clear dear brother on this part.
Let's go back to guys being 'leaders' from birth. Do recall please that i'm not arguing nor trying to convince you that i'm right... That would really be besides the point. I'm only supporting what I believe. This may sound a little erelevant, I hope it will come down to what i'm trying to express. God's word teaches us that we can't claim to love God yet failing to love our earthly fellows made in the image of God. We first need to love Him as our God... Though we do that in loving one another.
Please don't miss understand me, there's so much misunderstand taking place already on our last replies. God is our first love.... That one is like that. However we can't claim to love the one we haven't seen, while failing to love those made in His image, whom we can see. You said that "Marriage is a mysterious institution" and I agree with you. Didn't Adam and Eve blew it big time in Eden? Marriage is the first institution God created. Why? So we can relate with His plan of living our lives preparing to meet our husband Christ. Since we both agree that marriage is a mysterious covenant that only God understands the meaning and depth of, Can then in our little limited minds really understand a man submitting to another husband? Can we really comprehend with this plan without you guys looking unto Jesus for leadership in how you should go about leading your families?
Then how does a man lead and still master submission without learning from someone meant to submit? Where is the physical church without wives? (if I should ask this question is short) Isn't this the very reason why Jesus tought about marriage when He was here? Why is He even relating His return for the church with marriage? I know that we should and are submitting to God before anyone else, though there's no way we can claim to master that while missing His earthly protocol. We relate to him through one another. Maybe guys have been failing to lead so much that they don't know its their gender place.
Can I ask you one simple question you don't have to answer it here, just for your own interest. Have you seen most weman in leadership, could be in a workplace or any where else?
How is their leadership versus the mans?
I'm not only talking about one or two weman who muster leadership, multitude of ladies in leadership versus a man... That will answer your question of our gender calling.
Dear sister, hope you are good? Just taking doing on-and-off approach with the forum these days, hence my response always coming late.
Let's get to business but before I do, I can sense that there is a little bit of misconception about what I had put up before now, so I would like to give some clarification.
When I said "guys are not ordained leaders from birth", I meant that leadership qualities are not activated by default. They are worked out on a daily basis, just as a perfection is being worked out daily. I didn't mean that they were/are not to be leaders. This led to my statement you agreed to later on.
If a husband mistreats his wife, his prayers are gonna be hindered; the truth and nothing but the truth.
Let me give an instance; have you bitten your tongue before? If you had, have you tried eating something spicy at that time? How would you describe the situation? Sometimes, one may not even eat that food at all. That is how it is when one is praying whilst mistreating his wife.
Funny enough, one doesn't even need to mistreat his wife before his prayers can be hindered. If one mistreats his neighbour, then same fate will befall him because God commands that we love our neighbours as ourselves. Someone that mistreats his neighbour will surely mistreats his wife one way or the other.
Concerning the place of flouting God's commands and expecting His blessings, I will say there is a result for that. Though it may/many not come on time, but it will surely come. The case of Eli's sons comes to mind here, likewise the story of King Saul.
If I am not getting something right, kindly point out to to me. As far as leadership in a relationship or home is about, it can never be perfectly carried out without looking at the model of perfect leadership Himself, Christ.
If a man finds it difficult in submitting to His creator, then he will have a problem in building a pefrect leadership. I talked about submisiion role in the home, just as the scriopture says wives should submit to their husbands while husbands should love their wives, and I pointed out that it takes love to submit to one, and it loving one will bring about submission in one way or the other. It may not be explicit the way it is required of wives, but it is there. As for the man, you give out yourself. A man that has never submitted to another person (Almighty God in this context now) cannot love his wife.
Mark 10:43-45 talks about leadership model of Christ, and if you look at it very well, you will discover that the structure is about giving oneself or selling oneself out. Did you know that 'to lead' means 'to serve' and not 'to command'? If yes, then the question of leading and mastering submission is being answered in that scriptural reference I put up.
The leadership trait of a man will not be different from that of a woman if the right leadership trait is adopted. Besides, a woman can learn from her husband and inculcate that into herself.
On whether I have been led by a woman before, yes I have.
Is it different from a male perspective? It depends on the angle we are looking at it or the reference point.
