The left has moved SO FAR left that they are mentally crazy. Today the flag is lowered in respect for the victims in Ohio and Texas. Yet MSNBC and other far left TV stations have stated it is CODE for white supremacists to act. What bunch of #$*30#.... also that if you use the number 8 in any writings, it is code for the KKK. So if you are born on the 8th of the month, or your address has an 8 in it, you are a racist. Our president has done many good things for the country and has friends both black and white, as well as Hispanic. The left is so crazy THEY have become dangerous.
I don't know if Trump is a racist as I don't know him personally, but I am aware that having friends of varying skin colours, doesn't make you exclude you from being racist or holding racist view points.
The Justice Department undertook it's own investigation and, in 1973, sued Trump Management for discriminating against blacks. See NYT article called "No Vacancies for Blacks". Plus he tells people of color to "Go back and help fix the places from which you came" because apparently he thinks only whites are from America and people of color are not so therefore they don't have a legal right to form an opinion in this country. "Maybe he should think about where his family came from before making such remarks" says the mayor of Kallstadt Germany about Trump where his Grandfather ,Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from and his mother, Mary Anne Trump from Scotland, who became a naturalized citizen on March 10th,1942. Friedrich's immigrant tale is hardly the story of a man who would have been welcomed by an America that was overly concerned with matters of character and patriotism. Having come to New York as an unaccompanied minor, he made his fortune selling liquor and the services of prostitutes to gold miners in the West. Trump is not very clever IMHO.
Usually in a formal argument the conclusion is preceded by its statements of supporting fact. But sometimes in a less formal arrangement, the supporting facts might follow the conclusion, so you’re ok either way.
At the start of your post you stated your conclusion like this,
QUOTE: “Trump IS a racist. Period. Always has been.”
END QUOTE.
Alright. Now let’s take a look at your evidence. The question to bear in mind: Is your evidence based on realities of fact and does it prove your conclusion.
Keep in mind a fact is a reality, something that is indisputably the case.
So, do we find a reflection of >reality< in your post?
Can it be said you carful to report only the facts that >indisputably< support the case that “Donald Trump is a racist”?
Let’s review your statements.
First off, you referred to a Justice Department investigation and legal action against the Trumps in 1973. Your source is The New York Times.
Let’s stop here for a second.
I’m sure you’ve heard the adage that a reporter’s credibility is no better than his/her source. So on that basis lets test your credibility by the sources you use.
Let’s take a very brief look at NYT reporting credibility. Just for starters I’m going to quote the Daily Caller News Foundation (a highly respectable and credible news source). They’ve done some fact checking and have offered a report on some of the NYT’s big errors. Here are just a few:
1. The New York Times has made many mistakes in its reporting this year, (2017) including incorrectly attributing a tweet mocking American military efforts to the North Korean government. NYT Mistakes Parody Twitter Account for North Korea’s Official One
2. Corrects Claim That 17 Intel Agencies ‘Agree’ on Russia
3. Flubs Story on Food Stamps and Soda—Twice
4. Editor Forced to Correct Statement on Attorney General
5. Corrects Editorial Attacking Sarah Palin With Debunked Conspiracy Theory
**See The Daily Signal
5 Biggest Screw-Ups by The New York Times So Far This Year (2017)
Fact checking sources that are available can be readily resourced. They cover and report on the fake news media (NYT et al) Other reliable fact checking sources are available one of which includes Brent Boozer’s, Media Research Center.
Alright, back to your post.
An investigation does not prove guilt and neither does a lawsuit. Proving guilt is the job of the prosecution and in Trump’s case the prosecution failed to make its case. In fact, you must have missed it but Trump was not found guilty of racism.
You might want to school yourself on the political games playing out in this country. Games like public accusations that get hurled about like javelins against opposition parties. False allegations, ah, they’re handy tools, especially if they’re disgruntled acquaintances of the accused who handily fill in as material witnesses for the prosecution and for bias reporters. Being accused carries high political risk and liability.
The opposition doesn’t always have to prove guilt to be effective.
Ok, let’s see what else you had. Here’s the next one:
QUOTE:
“Plus he tells people of color to "Go back and help fix the places from which you came" because apparently he thinks only whites are from America and people of color are not so therefore they don't have a legal right to form an opinion in this country.”
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So now you’re telling us what Trump “thinks”!!!!
Is this voodoo reporting or what?
Try telling a judge and jury what your fellow litigator is thinking in a court of law and see how far that gets you!
You quote the following out of context: “Go back and fix the places from which you came” and conclude without due consideration that its a racist statement!!! But the statement is hardly racist by any stretch even itself and especially when placed back in its original context. I wonder if you actually saw the original context, or did you just jump on the get Trump bandwagon. If you had checked the context, you would find it has nothing to do with racism.
Then you say: “Apparently he thinks...” KJVonly, clearly this is not an objective fact!!! So now you’re basing a perception of guilt on what >you think< someone else is thinking!!!
When an accuser is desperate to find fault, he or she must resort to unfairly fabricating falsehoods about what someone is “thinking”. When you accuse someone of thinking something and hold them responsible for what you think they are thinking, you have just entered a whole new realm of pitchfork and torch kangaroo tribunalism.
Let’s see what else you have.
You quoted the Mayor of Kallstadt Germany. But his quote doesn’t follow, because, it is a non-sequitur based on an fallacious argument ie twisting Trump’s original statement by creating a false context just to make it easier to refute him is a dishonest straw-man technique.
Ok, what else do ya have.
Oh, up next comes the good o’ guilt-by-association fallacy combined with the you-too fallacy.
So Trump is bad because someone in his family is bad!!! Wow!! And then it’s implied Trump had better not stop bad people from coming into this country because he has bad family who got into this country. Another fallacy ( the you-too)!!
These 2 serious critical thinking errors pretty much explain their own inconsistencies.
So KJVonly, where’s your argument?
For one, you’ve provide only biased evidence from an unreliable source and second, you follow up with an array of fallacious argumentation based on your own imagination.
Obviously your own credibility is a stake here as you continue to use unreliable sources. If you recall, we’ve discussed this before.
Being able to distinguish facts (objective realities) from opinionated conjecture (what you think or feel) is very important.
AMEN to that. -- in fact, its a good idea if a hurricane hits or war destroys a country, that the people from that country go there and help out. No matter what skin color or ethnic traditions, its a good idea for people to help their own. Mr. Trump has done more for people of color than any past president. Think on THAT for awhile.
For the sake of space so I don't have a long post , here are a few more . Don't you think it's strange that all of these jabs are directed toward the non-whites?
An advertisement placed by Donald Trump in all four major New York newspapers on May 1, 1989, calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five .The so-called Central Park Five were a group of black and Latino teens who were accused—wrongly—of raping a white woman in Central Park .
In October 1993, Trump appeared before the House Subcommittee on Native American Affairs of the Committee on Natural Resources. The subcommittee was chaired by Bill Richardson, later New Mexico’s governor. Trump was there to support an effort to modify legislation that had given Native American tribes the right to own and operate casinos
In the summer of 2005, Donald Trump had an idea: What if the next season of his reality-TV show, The Apprentice, pitted “a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites”? Trump thought the format would be a sort of social commentary—“reflective of our very vicious world.” The concept never made it to air, but Trump’s treatment of black contestants on his show generated controversy.
He started birtherism concerning Obama.
For Trump, the run-up to birtherism had been a controversy that flared when a Manhattan developer proposed building an Islamic cultural center on a site in Lower Manhattan—the so-called Ground Zero mosque. In 2010, on the Late Show, Trump told David Letterman: “I think it’s very insensitive to build it there. I think it’s not appropriate.” Letterman pushed back, saying that blocking an Islamic facility would be akin to declaring “war with Muslims.” Trump answered: “Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.” Trump offered to buy out one of the investors in order to halt the project. The action made him one of the project’s key opponents and for the first time gave him national visibility on the political right.
About the KKK and the Unite the Right rally :On August 14, Trump walked back his initial statement and specifically condemned “the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups.” A day later, he walked back his walk-back. There were “very fine people on both sides,” he said, adding that the “alt-left” had been “very, very violent.” White-nationalist leaders welcomed his remarks.
Quote from Politifact:
Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."
Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.
He also says :Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
White nationalists sure love him!.
He said about Mexicans that they are basically rapist and murders, druggies. He did say SOME were good people. He said Mexico does not send their best. And the list goes on. The NCAI condems him for using the slur "Pocahontas" to Sen. Warren.
It IS a racial slur. no?
Here is an interesting statement about the Unite the Right rally mentioned earlier..
Politifact quote:
Reporter: "Let me ask you, Mr. President, why did you wait so long to blast neo-Nazis?"
Trump: "I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long."
Reporter: "Forty-eight hours."
Trump: "I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct -- not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the facts.
Oh!..wait a minute!!! .. maybe he should have thought of that before he took out those 4 major newspaper ads asking for the death penalty for the black and latino men accused of raping the white woman in 1989 , LOL!!!
but I am aware that having friends of varying skin colours, doesn't make you exclude you from being racist or holding racist view points.
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I know that's right! I had a boyfriend who was very racist and had a black guy friend who worked for him. He was sad after the man died but other than that, he was racist with his speech much like Trump.
Now to address LittleDavid.
Brother,
Needsafriend posted that Trump was NOT racist and you overlooked it because you agree. But I come along saying that he IS and you proceed with your courtroom arguments against the prosecution. LOL. Well now , don't I feel important! (Teddyhug is rubbing off on me bigtime) I can assure you big brother that I can not match your eloquence in the courtroom as I humbly admit much like Moses that I do not speak fluently.
It is like the Burden of Proof rests on me to prove that he is! I see you find alot of conjecture with my statements.
Maybe you feel I have too much cognitive ease regarding President Trumps character? Perhaps I need to practice cognitive strain instead then I might come up with a different "truth" which is subjective anyways?
I will personally hand write an apology to President Trump if I am wrong and post it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW via return receipt request as I have no trouble admitting I am wrong but I think I looked him in the eye long enough to form my humble opinion.
