Author	Thread: Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 24 Nov, 2012 05:11 PM It was a difficult thing to do, because I think Obama has been a horrible President. I certainly don't agree with him on moral issues, and if I thought for nano-second that voting for Romney would have meant the end of abortion and a ban on same sex marriage, I would have voted for him. But there have been three Republican Presidents, and at times they had control of at least one chamber of Congress, and in the first two years of the last Bush Administration, Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress, yet Republicans did nothing about the moral issues. This tells me that the leaders of the Republican Party really don't care about these moral issues. Next, is the economy. Conservative talkers like to blame the entire national debt on Obama, when in fact it is cumulative. Republicans are just as responsible for the national debt as Democrats are. And I didn't see any great change in that direction with Romney-Ryan. Their plans did not include eliminating costly departments like Education, Homeland Security and Interior, just to name a few. All they seem to want to cut is aid to the poor. Nor did they ever say they would keep us out of costly and unconstitutional wars. They practically promised to take us to war with Iran. In my opinion, I believe the Federal Budget would have been just as bloated under Romney-Ryan as it was under GW Bush and Obama. Since I didn't see any major changes morally or economically I thought a second term for Obama while the Constitutional conservatives once again gained control of the Republican Party, hopefully by 2016, would not be as bad as, potentially, eight years of Romney-Ryan, potentially followed by a Ryan Presidency. The thought of that scared me. No major changes, so why vote for Obama? The Republican Party has a cancer growing inside of it, and I refuse to vote for Republicans that are part of that cancer. That cancer is a selfish capitalism based on the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand was an anti-christian atheist whose philosophy resembled more of Hitler than our Constitution. And this philosophy is growing inside the Republican Party. It's not the Jews this philosophy is against, but rather the poor. Ayn Rand said, in an interview Mike Wallace in 1959, that the poor do not deserve love. It's no coincidence that Paul Ryan, and other Republicans like him want to make massive cuts in Entitlements. Ayn Rand believed that the poor should just die. And I can see this philosophy growing in the Republican Party, largely due to the tea party. Many of them have this philosophy. This philosophy that is growing in the Republican Party is far worse than what Obama represents, and that is why I voted for Obama. And I will never vote for a Republican again, unless I know them personally, until the Republican Party excises the cancer I just explained. This philosophy of Ayn Rand is diametrically opposite the philosophy of Christ. Yet, I have found that many who profess to be Christians support candidates that espouse this philosophy. And this philosophy would be harmful to the poor in America. And that is why I, as a Christian, voted for Obama. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 24 Nov, 2012 05:32 PM You make some good points. I was actually for Ron Paul, who seems to have been alienated from the party. I do however think it's kind of silly to say you won't vote for a Republican unless you know them. What if the opposition is worse? Surely there are far worse things to support than capitalism. Post Reply
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 24 Nov, 2012 06:13 PM I wrote an article some time ago. By it you will know where I am coming from. ********** WAS JESUS A CAPITALIST? Was Jesus a capitalist? First, let me give some background. This past weekend (9-12-09) there was a taxpayer march on Washington. The only thing that people had in common, is that they all see that this country is going in the wrong direction. A fair amount of them was protesting the socialist direction the Obama Administration is taking this country at warp speed. All of them were protesting the runaway spending in Washington. Many of them claimed to be Christians. They touted the virtues of free-market capitalism. I came away from watching the event on C-SPAN, that those who said they were Christians, thought that Jesus was a capitalist. And that is what this article is about. If Jesus was a capitalist, would he tell the rich ruler to sell everything he had and give to the poor. What Jesus said seems to be more a mandate for the re-distribution of wealth. And Jesus thought that we should pay taxes. "Give to Ceasar the things that are Ceasar's." He said that after being showed a coin and asking who's likeness was on the coin. Then Jesus chased those engaged in capitalistic endeavors out of the temple claiming, "You have turned My Father's house into a den of thieves." And, finally, Jesus said, "the love of money is the root of all evil." When you consider these facts, how can anyone conclude that Jesus was a capitalist? What principles can we establish for today from what Jesus said and did? 1) Rich people should help poor people. 2) We should pay our taxes. 3) Buying and selling for profit must not happen in the church. 4) We must not be greedy (lover of money). These principles suggests that Jesus would not be a capitalist today. I have no doubt that if Jesus was a politician He would be condemned by the political right of being a liberal. But then, I don't believe that Jesus would ever stoop so low as to be a politician. He might be a community organizer, or a liberal activist. No way Jesus would fit into the conservative crowd of today. So if Jesus is not a capitalist, or a conservative, what is he? Where would Jesus fit in our political landscape? Ever think about it? ********** Post Reply
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 24 Nov, 2012 06:16 PM By the way Grace Undeserved, I was also a Ron Paul supporter at the beginning of this year. But when he admitted to writing prescriptions for birth control pills, including the morning after pill, he lost my support. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 30 Nov, 2012 10:35 AM I'm not saying I disagree with those reasons for not supporting Paul. I haven't heard that Paul supports the use of those. Paul is a Capitalist though, so I thought you would be against him for that. The problem is in finding a candidate that would rule according to God's standards. I don't think one of those exists, so do we not vote at all? This is slightly hypocritical of you since Obama has supported the killing of infants who were victims of failed abortions. In other words, the babies did not die during the attempted abortion and Obama supports killing those infants. I'm curious as to how you think the morning after pill is worse than that or how you switch from Paul to Obama in light of that. Post Reply
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 2 Dec, 2012 12:52 PM Ron Paul himself said he wrote prescriptions for birth control pills, including the morning after pill when he was on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. And I never viewed him as a capitalist. I viewed him as a Constitutionalist. Post Reply
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 2 Dec, 2012 12:59 PM Oh, I didn't switch from Ron Paul to Obama. I switched to Romney. But when Romney picked Ryan for a running mate, that's when Romney lost my support. I would not have voted for Obama if it wasn't for Sean Hannity constantly, in the last few days before the election, claiming that the election was close in Pennsylvania. I just didn't want to take chance at Paul Ryan becoming the VP. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 08:33 AM To each their own I guess. I don't get the reasoning but it makes sense to you so, so be it. Ron Paul can be seen all over youtube defending capitalism. Post Reply
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 08:49 AM I am not a capitalist. Neither was Jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 12:01 PM I just think you may not understand Capitalism if you think it's the problem. Post Reply
TomDL56 View Profile History	Why I As A Christian Voted For Obama Posted : 12 Dec, 2012 08:00 AM Capitalism leads to selfishness and greed. Post Reply

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