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Posted : 24 Apr, 2011 06:17 AM

Brothers,





Do you remember what I said the other day:



Soon people will witness the perfect reign of God Jesus for 1,000 years on our earth. But however some of them will refuse to believe in Him. He will stop wars and production of arms but they will still desire to destroy His Kingdom. He will not kill them but they will desire to kill Him like before. He will not attack them, but they will gather together again for a war against Him. There will be no weapon in Jerusalem to protect Jesus, His angels and saints. How He is going to defend Himself? He is God. The Almighty, Omnipresent and Omniscient God who created people and all visible and invisible worlds. Will He dwell among us if people do not want to see His presence? He will show them who He is and how righteously He reigns. He was described by the prophets in the Holy Bible and by reading His Holy words said there, we are able to look into His eyes even today. But even by looking at God, people would like to live without God!





How He is going to exist with those who do not want to exist with Him?

He is going to take those, who want to dwell with Him, to a NEW WORLD created by Him�.So, it will be a final and great escape to another WORLD soon�.Will you be among us? Or do you prefer to be left on our planet which will be destroyed?



My Jewish brother History said:





Originally published by History, on 20 April 2011 - 10:24 AM:





I respect there will be a difference of opinion.

I find all such conjecture (for it is only conjecture) interesting but they should never be an obsession.

Time spent on such conjectures are missed opportunities to fulfill our purpose under G-d.

This is: to help perfect/repair the world under Him through acts of justice and lovingkindness.

This is what Jews call tikkun olam.



Earth is not something one should wish to escape. This would be shirking our responsibilities as shepherds of G-d's Creation.

Life is not something one should wish to escape. Life and Creation (and G-d's Scripture) are the His greatest Gifts.

We need appreciate and care for both fully.



Chag sameach!



Respectfully,

History







Brothers, we should analyze anything and meditate on the words of God. Our Christian FAITH is reasonable and God calls us to meditate on His words.



If you walk through any struggle He will lift you out of the pit of despair. If you have the moments of doubt. Then God knows that doubt is the sign that you are thinking. Those who are challenging your answers are thinking. They are thinking about God and they want to have a reasonable faith. Come let�s argue this out. Let�s reason together.





� Come now, and let us reason together,�

Says the LORD



Isaiah 1:18







Because when we seek God, He will be found by us. He could be known by us and should be known!



Brothers, Jews are right and those, who live as God says, are the restraining power in this world. The Bible says that a restraining power will be removed soon.



What is this restraining power? Let's read about it:





2 Thessalonians 2



The Great Apostasy





Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.





Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.





What does it mean?



This chapter explains what should happen before the Second Coming of Jesus.



Who now hinders, or restrains - ὁ κατέχων ho katechōn. This is the same word which is used in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and rendered "withholdeth," except that it is there in the neuter gender. There can be no doubt that there is reference to the same restraining power, or the same power under the control of an individual. But what that was, let's consider it.



It was some power which operated as a check on the growing corruptions then existing, and which prevented their full development, but which was to be removed at no distant period, and whose removal would give an opportunity for these corruptions to develop themselves, and for the full revelation of the man of sin/ the anti-christ.



Christians believe that this restraining power is the Church of God/Organization/ Ummah or the Fellowship of believers in God Jesus. The Church of God should be taken from this world that's why there will be no restraining power in the world to support Israel. Christians will escape this earth, according to the words of Jesus.



So, there will be only 2 forces in the world- Muslim states and Israel/Jews. We all know that according to the Scripture orthodox Jews do not belong to the Church of God founded by Him. That's why Jews you will witness how Islam will become the world religion and Muslims will prepare to attack you and Israel under the banner of Islam and the anti-christ according to the Bible prophecies and revelations of angels in Islam. But during their attack against Israel and raping of Jewish women, God Jesus will descend with the mighty angels of God and saints. Who are these saints? They are us- Christians. The raptured Church- i.e., in other words, ALL CHRISTIANS whose names are written in the Book of Life. Do you remember the prophecy said in the Old Testament that enemies of Israel and God will be destroyed during this war? Then ALL Jews will witness that Jesus was really their Messiah rejected by them and they will become a part of His Church.



What is also interesting to point out is that before the Second Coming of the Messiah/Isa Al Massih there will be a group of witnesses, the 144,000 Jews, who will be sealed for the work of God. They will be set aside to preach the message of salvation THROUGH the FAITH in God Jesus and they will be Christians. Many will be saved during their ministry as stated in Revelation 7:9- 17. So, according to the Scripture these Jews will be Christians and missionaries.



Our Jewish brother History said that �Earth is not something one should wish to escape. This would be shirking our responsibilities as shepherds of G-d's Creation�.



He is right. There are many things to do on earth and the Church of God will return to accomplish the tasks of God. We, who will return, will be transformed. Our bodies will be changed and we will look like angels and Jesus. By the way, His hands are pierced until today and the light is coming from them as a witness for you Jews and Muslims. You all will see His light coming from His hands soon.



This Church- we- will govern over cities all over the world in the established Kingdom of the Messiah. According to the Scripture, He will reign here on earth for 1,000 years and we will reign with Him. We will not die because our bodies will be changed upon rapture. But finally we will escape this earth during the final war against Jesus when again nations will be gathered together to attack the second time Jerusalem but after millennium reign of God Jesus....then the end will come�.but not for us. We are going to move to another world � the New Jerusalem constructed by God on a new earth where there is no sea anymore�.



We believe that we will escape during the rapture of the Church from the terrible wrath of God against this earth�many calamities�wars and disasters which are aimed to TURN HEARTS of people Muslims, Jews and gentiles to the God of Israel Jesus! This coming suffering and woe are aimed to make people to RECONSIDER their godless lives and turn to the Creator - Jesus.



This Creator Jesus died to absorb the wrath of God against every one of us.



He died to cancel the legal demands against us.



God treated His Son Jesus as He would live our sinful lives. God treats us as we would be Holy like Jesus was HOLY. It was an amazing transaction!



You will never be good enough. God is simply loving you and justifying and forgiving you. Jesus died for you! No one of gods and idols have ever loved you so with an everlasting love! God has NOT only LOVED you but died for you.



It is the proof of His nature- LOVE, MERCY, JUSTICE.



He is Allah whom since your childhood you have called during all your life AR- RAHMAN WA AR-RAHIM!



He is taking residence in our hearts.



And before Him we bow down our hearts, souls, lives and minds.



He is our Everlasting Father.



The Prince of Peace.



The Mighty God.



His tomb is empty.



He is risen and



He is going to make a step from His Kingdom into our world again bringing His GLORY with Him�.



His LIGHT and HOLY Presence will enlighten our world again.





Chag sameach! Sheh-Hashem Yivarech Otcha!

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Posted : 24 Apr, 2011 11:23 AM

Forgive me if I seem to be intruding. I am neither Jewish nor am I from Israel. I am, however, one of the Sons of God; I have the Father's affirmation as proof.

Jesus once asked, " Who is a true Jew? " His answer should have been enough to convince any person that it does not matter to God if you are borne in Israel or not. God is not a respecter of persons, nor of lands.

The whole volume of the Book reveals Jesus and so the whole of the volume must be one's source of council to gain complete thoughts toward understanding God and His plans.

In truth, though the volume is vast, its revelation is purely simple.

Please don't complicate His Word. It is meant as Bread for His Children. Hidden manna!

God despises every religion conceived by man! He calls it 'vomit on His table', drunkenness, strong drink! The people were amazed at Jesus's doctrine. Why? Because God's power must be manifested to prove His Words.

Who is this man of sin really? It is the carnal and natural nature of man. It is the Adamic nature that God exiled from the Garden of Eden. When you can become like Jesus, then you will be taken. The old nature must first fall away before Christ's (the same anointing that Jesus has) second coming. It is Christ in you, the hope of glory that the people of this world must see!

God is All powerful and there is no other beside Him, but He is simple to understand and love. His Spirit wrote the book, so ask Him to teach you of it.

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Posted : 24 Apr, 2011 11:56 AM

Welcome to the forums Cantool,

I agree with your post 99%. While God may not be a respector of people or land, He is a respector of His Promises. And God has made Promises concerning the Nation of Israel. Simply put: God keeps His Promises.

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Posted : 24 Apr, 2011 02:43 PM

^ Yep...

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. -Jeremiah 31:31-36

Praise the LORD; for the LORD [is] good: sing praises unto his name; for [it is] pleasant. For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, [and] Israel for his peculiar treasure. -Psalm 135:3-4

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Posted : 24 Apr, 2011 11:35 PM

That is very true Twosparrows. There is a promise to the 'seen' or earthly thing, but that which I was referencing was of the spirit. That which we can't see with the natural eye.

There were promises made under the old covenant, but there is the greater promise under the new covenant. Israel is once again a sovereign nation. The new Israel and the new Jerusalem is not a nation made of lands or people nor a new city made of concrete and residents, it is those that are chosen by God because they have overcome through the strength of the Lamb. They will be the hope of God's very glory on earth for the whole world to see.

The OT was of the natural, but the NT is of the Spirit.

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Posted : 25 Apr, 2011 04:13 AM

Thank you brothers for comments. I have reconsidered this message for Arabs which I offered you to read and I think I need to make some corrections:



1. If the Rapture of the Church will be not before the tribulation period but before the Coming of Jesus (according to the verse in Revelation. i.e. with the last trumpet) then the Church will not escape the wrath of God too. We should face tribulation period too.

2. The restraining power I said is the Church. But it could be also the power of the Holy Spirit, so He could restrain the anti-christ and evil�so, then



My message should be read so:



Because when we seek God, He will be found by us. He could be known by us and should be known!



Brothers, Jews are right and those, who live as God says, are the restraining power in this world. The Bible also says that a restraining power will be removed soon.

What is this restraining power? Let's read about it:

Who now hinders, or restrains - ὁ κατέχων ho katechōn. This is the same word which is used in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and rendered "withholdeth," except that it is there in the neuter gender. There can be no doubt that there is reference to the same restraining power, or the same power under the control of an individual. But what that was, let's consider it. Some Christians think that this restraining power is the power of the Holy Spirit.

What is the purpose of the terrible wrath of God against this earth�many calamities�wars and disasters? They are aimed to TURN HEARTS of people Muslims, Jews and gentiles to the God of Israel Jesus! This coming suffering and woe are aimed to make people to RECONSIDER their godless lives and turn to the Creator - Jesus.

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I do have a great appreciation for your ministering heart, Bahira, so I'm asking that you just consider what I'm trying to convey by using the total volume of scripture.

No matter the nationality of the people, they as individuals have spirits. To this day, all of these spirits are of the nature of evil. What can convince them to turn and repent? Only the absolute truth. When Peter spoke to the masses in the beginning of Acts, he only spoke that undeniable truth. 3000 were not only borne from above, but also filled to the full and spake in other languages (tongues). I understand that this is your goal in your ministerial efforts.

What is the most abominable thing that God Almighty despises? It is religion: a fire kindled by men, extra things added to His True Word. God is not a man that He should lie! Think outside of the doctrine that you have learned through the inspiration of speeches made by people. Don't lean on your own understanding. Be watchful! Even God said that He sent a delusion that man won't believe the truth! This is because of our tendencies to be selfish and arrogant. Just look at Adam and Eve. They believed the same delusion. Why a delusion? God is looking a Bride that will adorn herself! A co-laborer with God! Not apart from Him.

Part of the influential teachings of men are of the end-times: pre, mid, and post tribulation scenarios. All of which are in error. Jesus told us [gospels] that there will always be tribulation, but not to fear the terror by night, nor the pestilence by day. He is always with us.

Go through the book of Acts and recall apostle Pauls life. He even reminds us of the trials and tribulations he endured. With length of time and duration, patience saved his own soul. He kept his eyes on the prize, the high mark of the calling [adorning himself to be a bride]. Notice in Revelation that the Bride was coming down from heaven. How can a Bride of Jesus descend from heaven unless she first ascend to heaven. Initial salvation is never enough. One must be discipled [taught] by renewing their own minds in the Word and speaking life even to themselves.

The wrath of God. He is an all consuming fire. If His perfect Truth is preached, the spirit of Truth will cause a person's heart to burn within them and hopefully cause them to repent. Choose ye life or death! God will purge His house [our body is His temple] first.



What is it that restrains the Church, or more specifically, the individual believer? Their own carnal wills. For this reason God will purge His house. Should one pursue God after the manner of apostle Paul and become so like Jesus, the growing spirit of man will throw the 'old man' out. (see Nehemiah; exiling Tobias). We, are our greatest enemy. Our carnal natures are by rights at birth, evil; at enmity with God, that same spirit of anti-Christ, at war with God and with the quickened spirit of man.



The Holy Spirit is not here to restrain anything. He is, well, in the true believers, to change our wills through His great love wherewith He so loved us, so that with His spoken Word, we will die that Christ in us will gain and overcome: 1. the world 2. the bear [Babylon, or the world's system] 3. the lion [our unrenewed minds where the battle is fought]!



YOU SAID:



My message should be read so:







Because when we seek God, He will be found by us. He could be known by us and should be known!



THIS STATEMENT IS SO TRUE!



YOU SAID:



Who now hinders, or restrains - ὁ κατέχων ho katechōn. This is the same word which is used in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and rendered "withholdeth," except that it is there in the neuter gender. There can be no doubt that there is reference to the same restraining power, or the same power under the control of an individual. But what that was, let's consider it.

Brothers, Jews are right and those, who live as God says, are the restraining power in this world. The Bible also says that a restraining power will be removed soon.



Remember this scripture? "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

It is 'old man' or the original Adamic and carnal nature of man that is too weak and not willing to pursue the kingdom of Heaven. It is this very same nature that is against the Spirit of God. It is THE anti-Christ! Our own fleshly nature from the mother's womb. It is the same which 'withholds'. It is not willing to go 'towards the Light'. So therefore, your statement that the restraining power is "...under the control of an individual" is somewhat correct.

Why the neutral gender? Remember again, this which Jesus told the religious scribes: "There will be no marrying or given to marriage in heaven." There is no gender of spirits. Whether they be of good or evil. Of God or Satan.



YOU SAID:



What is the purpose of the terrible wrath of God against this earth�many calamities�wars and disasters? They are aimed to TURN HEARTS of people Muslims, Jews and gentiles to the God of Israel Jesus! This coming suffering and woe are aimed to make people to RECONSIDER their godless lives and turn to the Creator - Jesus.



I have only the slightest that I could add, but I won't be contentious. I do generally agree. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

The point I am stern to make in spending time with your posted endeavors is much the same as yours: to see Jesus high and lifted up, so He [not us] canl draw all men to Him!

Consider, if you may. If His Word is bread for the children, how can the children receive the bread unless it is made simple to understand? Babes, regardless of their parents bias, are not rocket scientists. Their reasoning skills are simple. Therefore, give them simple Truth. There should always be an even "flow" coming forth from the 'well of life'. Jesus is that well. Look to the warning that Paul stated in regards to those that are apt to teach. Jesus even said that should anyone offend even a little child they would be better off if a mill stone were tied about their necks and they be cast into the sea [and forgotten by God]. Please be careful good Sister.

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