Conversation with a Jew: How to get to the WORLD TO COME?

Posted : 23 Apr, 2011 04:57 AM

Salam brothers and History,



I will comment on what History said:



No. Ritual purity has nothing to do with lack of sins, nor is the complete absence of sin necessary to be near G-d.

- God is Omnipresent. Let's read:



Psalm 73:27-28

Those who are far from you will perish; you destroy all who are unfaithful to you. But as for me, it is good to be near God. I have made the Sovereign LORD my refuge; I will tell of all your deeds.



It means that not all people are near to God! Not all people are faithful to God. Because there are millions of gods in our world (just remember 33 mln gods only in India!)



Psalm 145:18

The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth.



It means that all who call upon God of Israel are herd by Him if they call on Him in truth. If you live in your sins then God will not listen to You.



Zephaniah 3:1-3

Woe to the city of oppressors, rebellious and defiled! She obeys no one, she accepts no correction. She does not trust in the LORD, she does not draw near to her God.



2 Chronicles 15:2 He went out to meet Asa and said to him, "Listen to me, Asa and all Judah and Benjamin. The LORD is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.



Zechariah 1:3 Therefore tell the people: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Return to me,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty. Malachi 3:7 Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says the LORD Almighty. "But you ask, 'How are we to return?'







How can we return to God that he would return to us?



Cleanse your hands, sinners! - Isaiah 1:15-16 "Your hands are full of blood; wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil."







To obtain the favor of God, it is necessary to put away our sins or in other words to REPENT of our sins: Cleanse your hands. Of evil doing. Purify your hearts. Of evil thoughts.



There are therefore two things implied in a man's sanctification:



1. That he separates himself from evil ways and evil companions, and devotes himself to God.



2. That God separates guilt from his conscience, and sin from his soul, and thus makes him internally and externally holy.



The Psalms show us many calls from God to His people to come and worship the Lord (e.g., Psalm 95:1-2: "Oh come, let us sing to the Lord; let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation! Let us come into his presence with thanksgiving; let us make a joyful noise to him with songs of praise!").



God invites us, commands us, to come into His presence for worship. How can we come to Him if He did not give us Islamic revelation of angels which we esteem?! How can we come to Him if we worship cows in India? Can He accept our worship if we respect other gods and thus violate the first of His Holy Commandments given to Moses at the Mount Sinai? When in Taurat did God say that He is going to give any revelations through angels in Islam?! If He did not give any revelations through angels and if Islamic revelations reject all His HOLY words said in Taurat then WHY do you violate His FIRST Holy Commandment which reads that you shall worship ONLY God of Israel?! You Muslims can come to god of Israel and He will listen to you but to get His blessings and answers to your prayers you should worship ONLY Him and not other gods! By following Islamic revelations which contradict His words you are driving on the road which LEADS you directly to the hell fire. Thus no all gods are God of Israel! Not all ways leads to God of Israel! And if you live in your sins then your way will perish the same way like way of people who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah. God is not only loving God but a consuming Fire!



So, can our sins separate us from the Holy God? Definitely.



What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the LORD our God is near us whenever we pray to him? Deuteronomy 4:7





You said: Again, per His Word:

"There are none so righteous that they do only good and sin not"--Kohelet 7:20.

"The Lord is near to all who call upon Him, to all who call upon Him in truth"--Tehillim 145:18

Ablutions and fasting did not remove sins (for which atonement and reparations were required), but they cleansed our physical dross and focused the mind to elevate the spirit in the service of G-d.



- Let me show you again: "The Lord is near to all who call upon Him, to all who call upon Him in truth"--Tehillim 145:18 It means if we did not abandon our sins and did not repent of them then we do not call upon Him in TRUTH! If you did not abandon your idol worship or worship of other gods who are NOT God of Israel it means you are living in sin or in other words you violate His First Commandment saying that you should not worship false gods!





You said: You are confusing two separate practices: ritual purity versus atonement.

- Ritual purity is a symbol for us that we ALL should be purified of our sins if we approach God! Out purity from atonement was required to be PURE before God! To be reconciled with Him by abandoning our sins and OBEYING His holy words/laws.



I said that all other people except the priests were separated from God's presence in the Temple. No one could enter into the place where the Holy of Holies was. Only priests and even priests could die any time if they approached God by being not forgiven of their sins.



You said: No. No one who seeks G-d is ever separated from Him.

- If you do not seek for Him and worship a cow then you are separated from him by your foolishness, lack of knowledge and sin which called idol worship. Thus, if God of Israel was NEVER in Islam it means that all Muslims are guilty of idol worship. And as we know God said that punishment for sin is DEATH.



You said: G-d does not require our "purity from sins" in order for us to earn His forgiveness. That's nonsensical. What He requires is our sincere contrition and desire to atone. With this, He assures us, we will be cleansed of sins (no Jesus necessary) and forgiven.

- But if God did not require from Israelites purity from sins then He would not give them His laws which should separate sinners from those who want to live with God obeying Him. Even Moses killed a group of Jews who wanted to return to live in Egypt after Passover from their slavery in Egypt. If you want to live unpurified from your sin then your way will perish the same way. Situation with Moses is just a symbol and illustration of our way in this case too. Who do not need God of Israel will perish. God gave orders to Jews to offer Him sacrifices to get right with Him and get forgiveness of their sins. If you do not believe that God requires and orders from you righteousness or in other words purity from your sins then you are not a Jewish. You need to study Taurat again and again and talk on this subject to rabbi/rebi because atonement and forgiveness of sins is the main requirement of God of Israel from His people.

Yous aid:

You again miss the point. Jews and Muslims worship G-d/Allah alone. Idolatry is forbidden.



- Can you prove me that God of Israel said anything us about Islamic allah? No. there is no verse about this god. How do we know that Islamic god is NOT God of Israel? Only those who know Islam are able to understand the difference. Those who want to know this difference I can explain. Just contact me here: [email protected]. I will just list a few reasons why Islamic god is not God of Israel:



* Islamic god was NOT mentioned in the Hebrew Holy Scripture!

* God of Israel is God who LOVES Israel: "Because of your God's eternal love for the people of Israel". But Islam even forbids friendship of Muslims with Jews. Islam says that allah trned a group of Jews to monkeys�Muhammad exterminated a Jewish tribe Banu Qurayzah. Look:



When Allah's Apostle returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel, whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Apostle said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani [tribe] Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went out towards them. (Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 68)



Sura 33:25-27: 25 Allah turned back the unbelievers [Meccans and their allies] in a state of rage, having not won any good, and Allah spared the believers battle [q-t-l]. Allah is, indeed, Strong and Mighty. 26 And He brought those of the People of the Book [Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew [q-t-l] and some you took captive. 27 And he bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions, together with land you have never trodden. Allah has power over everything.



Thus God of Israel is NOT the same god who could allow to exterminate His people. Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he did not only take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states that HE sent for them and STRUCK OFF their heads. Beheading 600-700 men. There are many such cases of mass murders of Muhammad and his followed according to the orders of Islamic allah which prove that Islamic allah could NOT be loving God of Israel!



You said: For you to suggest that Jews worship the Western Wall is ignorant. Or that Muslims worship the Kaaba.

- I do not say that Jews worship the Wailing Wall but I said that we �Christians- are forbidden to kiss this wall or any cross or icon! Those who do it will be judged for idol worship.



You said: It would be akin to claim that Christians worship their icons, saints, cathedrals, figures of Jesus, crucifixes, holy sites--or even Jesus himself or the Holy Ghost and Trinity.



- According to the Holy Scripture, we are forbidden to worship cross, kiss it, kiss hands of priests, worship Mary, kiss Kaaba, touch any so-called 'sacred' places and bow down before anything except God of Israel. Those who do it, violate the first HOLY Commandment of God and they sin. Punishment for sin is DEATH. I told you that Millions of Christian will be in hell. And among them are those who are idol worshippers! That's why we even cannt allow ourselves to do what they do. Because God of Israel clearly warned us about it.

You said:

These are just focal points to direct our thoughts and prayers to G-d.All worship G-d alone.



- Just to remind you: there are 33 mln gods only in India! Are they all your God? May be. But God of Israel is ONE and He forbids any idol worship saying that punishment for such sin is DEATH. It is his LAW- the first Holy Commandment (re-read or memorize it!) According to this command you all will be in hell, your way will perish if you worship anything except God Of Israel! So, to know who is God of Israel and why He was NEVER in Islam, study the Holy Scripture and compare it with Islamic revelations of an angel.

You said:

Christianity abrogated this physical covenant. Jews and Muslims still adhere to it.

- What is Covenant? A covenant is an agreement between two parties. Let me tell you about the Covenant:



Brothers, which god should we follow? 33 millions of Indian gods, God of Islam?



God of our father Ibrahim? Which revelations should we follow? Revelations of angel given to Muhammad or DIRECT revelations of God of our father Ibrahim given to godly people? Which Scriptures should be considered by us as HOLY? Who is this God who is HOLY? God of Islam or God of our father Ibrahim?



The Holy Scripture of our father Ibrahim consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. But what does the word 'testament' mean?



Torah is the Hebrew word for the first 5 books of the Bible and it is the foundation of the Old Testament just as the Old Testament is the foundation of the New. The Old Testament is the Holy Scripture that Jesus taught from, and His Disciples referred to. The Old and New Testaments are inseparable and only when used together do we have a complete, unified, divinely-inspired Bible. At an early date, the Alexandrian translators of the Scripture, known as the Septuagint, employed the word as the equivalent of the Hebrew berith, which means a pact, an alliance, more especially the alliance of God with Israel. Jesus Christ uses the words "New Testament" as meaning the Alliance established by Himself between God and the world, and this is called "new" as opposed to that of which Moses was the mediator. Later on, the name 'testament' was given to the collection of sacred texts containing the history and the doctrine of the two alliances.



So, brothers, is this Testament or ALLIANCE with God only for Jews? NO. This Alliance..this Future God is offering to Arabs, to Muslims, to ALL nations. But what is the meaning of this Alliance? Let ALLOW God of our father Ibrahim answer this question:



"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." Jeremiah 31:33



What does it mean for Arab nation and Muslims?



It means, brothers, that God of our father Ibrahim is going to make an Alliance with you. This Alliance or the formal agreement establishing an association or alliance between nations and groups to achieve a particular aim- OUR SALVATION. Salvation from hell and death in eternal separation from God. Our Collective Security can be understood as a Security Arrangement in which we all cooperate collectively with God to provide security for all by the actions of all against SIN by using force of God. This ALLIANCE will enable us to LIVE ETERNALLY with God is His presence forgiven of your sins. Are you going to enter into Agreement with God? If Yes, than repent of your sins, confess them telling God that you are sorry of them in prayer and believe God Jesus that He redeemed you from hell and death by accepting ALL your sins to His HOLY body on the cross to give you FUTURE and SECURITY in this world and in any world where you will be soon��.



Choose God of our father Ibrahim to live eternally! According to the Scripture, He NEVER was in Islam! TURN to Him and He will fill your life with HIS LOVE and PRESENCE!



You said: We are each responsible to atone for our own sins.- God is responsible for forgiveness of our sins. Because He forgives. And we are responsible for the REPENTANCE and ABOMINAION of our sins. That's why He gave us a way to get this forgiveness though atonement.



You said: There is simply no truth to what you claim for Jesus based on a Hebrew knowledge of Hebrew Scripture.



- According to over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament, we believe that the Man described in the Tanakh/Isaiah 53 is Jesus who should redeem us of all our sins by accepting our sins to His body through His suffering according to the words of God said there.



You said: While you may threaten:�-Yes. I should do it to point you at the way to God because if you will die unbelieving in God Jesus then you will perish the same way like Muslims according to the Holy Scripture. You said: "The righteous among ALL the nations of the earth have a share in the world-to-come."--Tosefta Sanhedrin 13:2



- Right. All nations will come to Jerusalem to worship the King of kings. He is the Messiah. His name is Malik Al-Amlak, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9: 6 reads, "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."



One can see clearly in the prophecies of Allah of Israel that the Messiah is tasked with ruling in the name of God. A famous prophesy reads, "But you Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be RULER over Israel whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."



The prophet continues, "Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labour gives birth and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites. He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God� for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth. And he will be their peace." (Micah 5:2-5)



The rabbinic doctrine of the World to Come (Olam Ha‑Ba) has relation to the resurrection of the dead during the reign of the Messiah, the King of Israel and a world of immortal souls that will follow the age of resurrection or a heavenly world enjoyed by righteous souls immediately after death. So, there is the World to Come. And who will be accepted to this World? Our Malik Al-Amlak, Mighty God Jesus clearly said who will enter into this world:





Revelation 21



All Things Made New

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[ saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

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