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Conversation with a Jew (History)
Posted : 22 Apr, 2011 08:40 AM
Salam brothers and History,
Here are a few comments of mine:
Furthermore, perfection was not required of the priests who cared for the Arc (for G-d says no Man is perfect--nor woman, ftm).Ritual purity was required to approach the Arc.- Right. What you called the ritual purity is lack of sins. Jewish priests should approach God ONLY by being forgiven of their sins. All other people were separated from God�s presence in the Temple. Even not all priests were allowed to come closer to God. They could fall down dead as we know with you now. During Yom Kippur/ the Day of Atonement priests once a year brought sacrifices to God for Jewish people. Why? Because God required our purity from sins called righteousness or holiness. The Day of Atonment was a gracious day each year when all the Israelites could experience a new beginning by being cleansed from their sins and restored to fellowship with their Maker. "On this day shall atonment be made for you, to cleanse you; from all your sins you shall be clean before the Lord" (Lev 16:30).
Sin defiled the sanctuary because Scripture views the sanctuary not as impersonal place, but as the abiding place of God Himself.
Look what God said:
"Let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst" (Ex 25:8).
It is disingenious and hypocritical to suggest that Christians similarly don't have respect for their holy sites or that others commit idolatry for practices more extensively practiced in Christianity.- According to the Holy Scripture we Christians are forbidden to worship/respect any sites with purpose of their worship. We should worship only God. Those who worship �holy� places in Israel (the orthodox church) are considered by God as idol worshippers. And during the Judgment Day they will give account to God for this idol worship. So, do we Christians kills crosses or any �holy� places? No. It is an idol worship and thus an abomination for God. You can consider our beliefs to be �hypocritical� but we do not worship idols according to the one of the HOLY COMMANDS of God written on the tablets of stone at the Mount Sinai.
I said: Man was separated from God by sin. And you say: Man is never separated from G-d.
- Many times God expressed His wrath to sinful mankind in past ages. He destroyed all mankind except Noah and his family in the great Flood (Gen. 6�7). He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins (Gen. 18�19). The Lord told unfaithful Israel, �Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and on beast and on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground; and it will burn and not be quenched� (Jer. 7:20).
But God made it very clear that the punishment of sin is death, for example: by using the flood to destroy all life. Covenant between Noah and God (Gen 9:8-17) Covenant between Abram and God (Gen 17:1-21)- Like Noahs time, Gods laws had not been revealed to the Israelite. But God clearly stated that He wanted us to be blameless. Re-read Gen 17:1: When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, �I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
God clearly specified His laws, 613 in all. He emphasized the importance of sacrifices, through which was the only way to redeem ourselves. God would not accept any sacrifices falling short of those laws commanded by Him.
What are the results of sins which separated the Holy God from sinners? Let�s consider it too:
Punishment for sins should be punished by God according to His laws.
The flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah are used throughout the Bible as examples of His divine wrath. In the Old Testament sin is set forth as an act of disobedience (Genesis 2:16-17; 3:11; Isaiah 1:2-4; Jeremiah 2:32); as an insult to God (Numbers 27:14); as something detested and punished by God (Genesis 3:14-19; Genesis 4:9-16).
There are few passages in the Old Testament that explicitly mention the defilement of the sanctuary by wilful and defiant sins that were never confessed. For example, God ordained that child sacrifice to Molech was to be punished with death, because "he has given one of his children to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name" (Lev 20: 3; cf. Ez 23:29).
In the Old Testament we see that sins defiled "the land in the midst of which I [God] dwell" (Num 35:34). The defilement of the land was tantamount to the defilement of the sanctuary, because God dwelt not only within the sanctuary but also among His people in the land. The expressions used in Leviticus 20 to describe the death sentence for those guilty of a variety of defiant sins, reveal that the sanctuary could be defiled by the contamination of the land (Lev 20:3).
Isaiah 58:1, �Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.� The same holy God who hated sin in the Old Testament hates sin and today.
I said: God forgave our sins through FAITH in His Son Jesus!
And you said: As I shared in my prior post, this is not possible. We are each responsible to atone for our own sins, and G-d in His love has provided us many means to do so.
Yes, God provided us ways to be forgiven of all our sins. One of these means was offerings to God during the Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur and now we are forgiven the same way due to the Offering of the Son of God on the cross instead of our sins. Jesus took our sins to His Holy body on the cross. To make us free of our sins. There is no Temple anymore to offer God animal sacrifices. But God offered us His Lamb- His Son- to die instead of us and to enable us FREELY to enter the Holy of Holies- His dwelling place.
But here is the contradiction in your argument. Jesus was not "sacrificed" on the Temple altar, nor was he physically "unblemished" as required for all sacrifices, nor sacrificed by an Aaronic priest--and this is excluding the fact of G-d's forbidding of all human sacrifice ("an abomination"--Jeremiah 32:25) and that G-d instructs that none can atone for another's sins (Devarim 24:16, Ezekial 18:20).
- According to al Quran Jesus was holy. According to Isaiah 53, Jesus was righteous. Taking into account Jesus� claims that He is God, it means that He is HOLY because God is HOLY. So, it means Jesus was unblemished Lamb of God. To offer God animal sacrifices people do not need a temple. Do you remember that Abraham offered God a ram on a mount? An altar is any structure upon which offerings were offered for God. Altars (mizbe'ah), "a place of slaughter or sacrifice". Thus, there was a place of slaughtering Jesus- the cross. Yes, god forbids any human sacrifices but He asked Abraham for the highest offering- his son. But dieying on the cross, not a Man died and suffered, but God incarnate. God suffered in the human body. God offered God because of the highest and perfect love to the human kind to make us HOLY and FREE of our sins. God said though the prophet Isaiah many centuries before the birth of Jesus on earth that ONE MAN (Jesus) should take our sins to His Body and make us FREE of our sins!!! (Isaiah 53). That�s why all what we see in the New Testament/Injil was according to the words of God and you can trust God who said it. If you do not trust God then you are unbelieving and you will NEVER enter the New world created by God for you. Let me remind you my words:
People will witness the perfect reign of God Jesus for 1,000 years. But however some of them will refuse to believe in Him. He will stop wars and production of arms but they will still desire to destroy His Kingdom. He will not kill them but they will desire to kill Him like before. He will not attack them, but they will gather together again for a war against Him. There will be no weapon in Jerusalem to protect Jesus, His angels and saints. How He- Jesus- is going to defend Himself? He is God. The Almighty, Omnipresent and Omniscient God who created people and all visible and invisible worlds. Will He dwell among us if people do not want to see His presence? He will show them who He is and how righteously He reigns. He was described by the prophets in the Holy Bible and by reading His Holy words said there, we are able to look into His eyes even today. But even by looking at God, people would like to live without God!
How He is going to exist with those who do not want to exist with Him? He is going to take those, who want to dwell with Him, to a NEW WORLD created by Him�.So, it will be a final and great escape to another world soon�.Will you be among us? Or do you prefer to be left on our planet which will be destroyed?
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