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On Having Assurance that you are Saved...........
Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 02:04 PM

God wants His people to be assured that they are truly saved, and belong to Him. A Christian who is NOT sure that they are saved will truly be an ineffective Christian. I just wanted to start a thread on this subject and HOW we can know we are saved. The Westminister Confession of Faith is probably the best Confession ever written, and you can find it online if you wish to study it further. Below is just the part about having assurance that we are truly saved..........











I. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with

false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, and estate of salvation

(which hope of theirs shall perish): yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love

Him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before Him, may, in this

life, be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, and may rejoice in the hope of

the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed.

II. This certainty is not a bare conjectural and probable persuasion grounded upon a

fallible hope; but an infallible assurance of faith founded upon the divine truth of the

promises of salvation, the inward evidence of those graces unto which these promises are

made, the testimony of the Spirit of adoption witnessing with our spirits that we are the

children of God, which Spirit is the earnest of our inheritance, whereby we are sealed to

the day of redemption.

III. This infallible assurance does not so belong to the essence of faith, but that a true

believer may wait long, and conflict with many difficulties, before he be partaker of it:

yet, being enabled by the Spirit to know the things which are freely given him of God, he

may, without extraordinary revelation in the right use of ordinary means, attain thereunto.

And therefore it is the duty of every one to give all diligence to make his calling and

election sure, that thereby his heart may be enlarged in peace and joy in the Holy Ghost,

in love and thankfulness to God, and in strength and cheerfulness in the duties of

obedience, the proper fruits of this assurance; so far is it from inclining men to looseness.

IV. True believers may have the assurance of their salvation divers ways shaken,

diminished, and intermitted; as, by negligence in preserving of it, by falling into some

special sin which wounds the conscience and grieves the Spirit; by some sudden or

vehement temptation, by God's withdrawing the light of His countenance, and suffering

even such as fear Him to walk in darkness and to have no light: yet are they never so

utterly destitute of that seed of God, and life of faith, that love of Christ and the brethren,

that sincerity of heart, and conscience of duty, out of which, by the operation of the

Spirit, this assurance may, in due time, be revived; and by the which, in the mean time,

they are supported from utter despair.�

--Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 18, �On Assurance of Grace & Salvation�

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 03:07 PM

As far as I can tell, Calvinists being choosen before the world began, and without a Goodhousekeeping seal of approval stamped elect or non-elect, it is just a educated guess based on circumstantial evidence whether one is saved or not.

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 03:16 PM

On Having Assurance that you are Saved...........

*** Ima more courious ifin the Poster can Supply & Share Biblical Scripture that Assures the Christian they are Saved...xo

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 03:54 PM

Why should one have to study the Westminister Confession of Faith, when Scripture gives us assurance of salvation? As Two mentioned, I agree it might be difficult for a Calvinist to have the assurance of salvation, maybe wondering if they are truly one of the 'elect'. And I'm with Jude.. I'd like to see some Scriptures posted by James that give assurance to the Christian that they are saved.

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 04:10 PM

Sometimes the Depth of Biblical ignorance on this group just makes me go "wow, that is sad."

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 04:16 PM

Instead of attacking our intelligence, enlighten us, James. Show us in Scripture the assurance one can have that they are saved.

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 04:29 PM

Sis...ya know he can only Quote Calvin / Puritan script...lets not hold our breath on this...:winksmile:...xo

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 05:05 PM

James posted:

Sometimes the Depth of Biblical ignorance on this group just makes me go "wow, that is sad."

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Biblical ignorance? You posted something from the Bible?

"Wow"

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 05:16 PM

Should I dare say, "wow, that is sad."?

For one who claims to be so right when it comes to salvation, I would think it would be rather easy to provide a few verses that assures a Christian of their salvation in Jesus.

Nah... I ain't holding my breath.

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Posted : 19 Apr, 2011 06:18 PM

How one can not know



The one can not come by a generator



The one can not come by a doctrine



The one can be know they are saved by a draw only statement



One can know that if they have heard the word of truth, concerning the Lord Jesus, by the hearing of the word of faith, and then believing with the heart unto righteousness and confessing with their mouth Jesus as their lord.



That whosoever can be fully assured they are saved



One that has heard the doctrine of election, and the lie of regeneration then faith can not believe they are saved.



For no man can create a doctrine of their own making and save anyone.



Whosoever, whenever, whereever that acts upon the word of God will always be fully assured for thie spirit will then be occupied by the holy spirit and he will bare witness with their spirit they are one with god and they have been given the spirit of adoption that cries abba father.



9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people�s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.



He that will not hear he that will not see, will not be saved!!

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Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 08:31 AM

The Nature and Basis of Assurance

by A.W. Pink



At the commencement of Matthew 5 we find the Lord Jesus pronouncing blessed a certain class of people. They are not named as "believers" or saints," but instead are described by their characters; and it is only by comparing ourselves and others with the description that the Lord Jesus there gave, that we are enabled to identify such. First, He said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit." To be "poor in spirit" is to have a feeling sense that in me, that is, in my flesh, "there dwelleth no good thing" (Rom. 7:18). It is the realization that 1 am utterly destitute of anything and everything which could commend me favorably to God�s notice. It is to recognize that I am a spiritual bankrupt. It is the consciousness, even now (not years ago, when I was first awakened), that I am without strength and wisdom, and that I am a helpless creature, completely dependent upon the grace and mercy of God. To be "poor in spirit" is the opposite of Laodiceanism, which consists of self-complacency and self-sufficiency, imagining I am "rich, and in need of nothing."



"Blessed are they that mourn." It is one thing to believe the theory that I am spiritually a poverty-stricken pauper, it is quite another to have an acute sense of it in my soul. Where the latter exists, there are deep exercises of heart, which evoke the bitter cry, "my leanness, my leanness, woe unto me!" (Isa. 24:16). There is deep anguish that there is so little growth in grace, so little fruit to God�s glory, such a wretched return made for His abounding goodness unto me. This is accompanied by an ever-deepening discovery of the depths of corruption which is still within me. The soul finds that when it would do good, evil is present with him (Rom. 7:21). It is grieved by the motions of unbelief, the swellings of pride, the surging of rebellion against God. Instead of peace, there is war within; instead of realizing his holy aspirations, the blessed one is daily defeated; until the stricken heart cries out, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" (Rom. 7:24).



"Blessed are the meek." Meekness is yieldedness. It is the opposite of self-will. Meekness is pliability and meltedness of heart, which makes me submissive and responsive to God�s will. Now observe, dear reader, these first three marks of the "blessed" consist not in outward actions, but of inward graces; not in showy deeds, but in states of soul. Note too that they are far from being characteristics which will render their possessor pleasing and popular to the world. He who feels himself to be a spiritual pauper will not be welcomed by the wealthy Laodiceans. He who daily mourns for his leanness, his barrenness, his sinfulness, will not be courted by the self-righteous. He who is truly meek will not be sought after by the self-assertive. No, he will be scorned by the Pharisees and looked upon with contempt by those who boast they are "out of Romans 7 and living in Romans 8." These lovely graces, which are of great price in the sight of God, are despised by the bloated professors of the day...



He who is really honest with himself and has had his eyes opened in some degree to see the awful sinfulness of self, and who is becoming more and more acquainted with that sink of iniquity, that mass of corruption which still indwells him, often feels that sin more completely rules him now than ever it did before. When he longs to trust God with all his heart, unbelief seems to paralyze him. When he wishes to be completely surrendered to God�s blessed will, murmurings and rebellion surge within him. When he would spend an hour in meditating on the things of God, evil imaginations harass him. When he desires to be more humble, pride seeks to fill him. When he would pray, his mind wanders. The more he fights against these sins, the further off victory seems to be. To him it appears that sin is very much the master of him, and Satan tells him that his profession is vain. What shall we say to such a dear soul who is deeply exercised over this problem? Two things.



First, the very fact that you are conscious of these sins and are so much concerned over your failure to overcome them, is a healthy sign. It is the blind who cannot see; it is the dead who feel not�true alike naturally and spiritually. Only they who have been quickened into newness of life are capable of real sorrow for sin. Moreover, such experiences as we have mentioned above evidence a spiritual growth: a growth in the knowledge of self. As the wise man tells us, "he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow" (Eccl. 1:18). In God�s light we see light (Ps. 36:9). The more the Holy Spirit reveals to me the high claims of God�s holiness, the more I discover how far short I come of meeting them. Let the midday sun shine into a darkened room, and dust and dirt which before were invisible are now plainly seen. So with the Christian: the more the light of God enters his heart, the more he discovers the spiritual filth which dwells there. Beloved brother, or sister, it is not that you are becoming more sinful, but that God is now giving you a clearer and fuller sight of your sinfulness. Praise Him for it, for the eyes of the vast majority of your fellows (religionists included) are blind, and cannot see what so distresses you!



Second, side by side with sin in your heart is grace. There is a new and holy nature within the Christian as well as the old and unholy one. Grace is active within you, as well as sin. The new nature is influencing your conduct as well as the old. Why is it that you so desire to be conformed to the image of Christ, to trust Him fully, love Him fervently, and serve Him diligently? These longings proceed not from the flesh. No, my distressed brother or sister, sin is not your complete master; if it were, all aspirations, prayers, and strivings after holiness would be banished from your heart. There are "as it were the company of two armies" (Song of Sol. 6:13) fighting to gain control of the Christian. As it was with our mother Rebekah�"the children struggled together within her" (Gen. 25:22)�so it is with us. But the very "struggle" shows that the issue is not yet decided: had sin conquered, the soul would no longer be able to resist. The conqueror disarms his enemy so that he can no longer fight back. The very fact that you are still "fighting" proves that sin has not vanquished you! It may seem to you that it soon will: but the issue is not in doubt�Christ will yet save you from the very presence of sin.



Having sought in the above paragraphs to heed the injunction found in Hebrews 12:12, 13 to "lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees," and to make "straight paths" for the feet of God�s little ones, "lest that which is lame be turned out of the way," let us again direct our attention unto those who "have not a doubt" of their acceptance in Christ, and perhaps feel no personal need for what has been said above. The Lord declared that a tree is known by its fruits, so there cannot be anything wrong in examining the tree of our heart, to ascertain what kind of "fruit" it is now bringing forth, and discover whether it be such as may proceed from mere nature, or that which can only issue from indwelling grace. It may at once be objected, But nothing spiritual can issue from ourselves. From our natural selves, No; but from a regenerated person, Yes. But how can an evil tree ever be any different? Christ said, "Make the tree good, and his fruit good" (Matt. 12:33). This is typed out by engrafting a new slip on an old stock...



In considering the basis of the Christian�s assurance we must distinguish sharply between the ground of his acceptance before God, and his own knowledge that he is accepted by Him. Nothing but the righteousness of Christ-wrought out by Him in His virtuous life and vicarious death�can give any sinner a perfect legal standing before the thrice holy God. And nothing but the communication of a new nature, a supernatural work of grace within, can furnish proof that the righteousness of Christ has been placed to my account. Whom God legally saves, he experimentally saves; whom He justifies, them He also sanctifies. Where the righteousness of Christ is imputed to an individual, a principle of holiness is imparted to him; the former can only be ascertained by the latter. It is impossible to obtain a scriptural knowledge that the merits of Christ�s finished work are reckoned to my account, except by proving that the efficacy of the Holy Spirit�s work is evident in my soul.

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