Author	Thread: Calvinism, Wheat and Tares
Admin	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 07:46 AM In the parable of Wheat and Tares the expressed reason for Not pulling out the Tares to early is they can easily be confused with the Wheat. So to avoid accidentally pulling up any Wheat by mistake you wait until they mature when they can be identified as Wheat or Tares. This is God talking about people; let them mature so they can be identified as belonging to Him or not. Yet Calvinism has the elect identified from before the beginning of the world? Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 01:27 PM The very idea of The father choosing some and rejecting some is totally is void of him truth and love. His word says he is the word and we know his desire is that all would choose his sacrifice of his son on their behalf. His word tell us that he is love, and it has been said on this site that he determines what love is, and that sounds like there could be some truth in it for a second, but the father is always in the now and the determination was made before he was for he is love. Love does not create to throw away, or throw away it's greatest creation, man. Love did not plan to give man life and then take it back for love is a giver. Love believes the best concerning man, and believing the best in relation to man is that he man would fully accept the word of God, JESUS. Love also hopeth all things, there is no hope in any elect theory. But even far more important the father is the author of faith that worketh by love, and again the elect theory is in total contradiction to faith and love. Faith calls things that be not as though they where, so when it comes to man and salvation the father sees all saved by faith, not denying that all have to respond in faith to receive his gift of salvation. Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 01:39 PM Twosparrows said: In the parable of Wheat and Tares the expressed reason for Not pulling out the Tares to early is they can easily be confused with the Wheat. So to avoid accidentally pulling up any Wheat by mistake you wait until they mature when they can be identified as Wheat or Tares. This is God talking about people; let them mature so they can be identified as belonging to Him or not. Yet Calvinism has the elect identified from before the beginning of the world? James replies: Yes, your parable was to Christians, and we do NOT know whom God has chosen to save. GOD, however, CHOSE them and knows them completely. We are to preach the gospel to everyone. Jesus did tell Nicodemus that the Holy Spirit was like the wind, and no one knows which way it will go. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 01:49 PM We do know who he has chosen, very simple those that have been ransomed, and by their choice accepting his sacrifice on their behalf. Rom 5:17 For if by one man�s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 05:14 PM Haha, you are funny James, that is not what the text says.. at all! But it is always fun to see what you will make up so things fit your preconceived doctrine. Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 06:56 PM To Christians, no that won't work, some else real important there to wait until they are harvested, uhmmmmm.... Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 07:32 PM James wrote - "We are to preach the gospel to everyone." Do you preach what you believe, James? Do you preach that God loves some and hates others? Do you preach God has created some for eternal life and others for eternal damnation? Do you preach that Christ died for the 'elect' only, but not for everyone, including the possibility of not dying for the one you're preaching to? Do you preach that there is the chance the one you're preaching to might not be 'elect'? Do you preach unless God has chosen him to salvation there is nothing he can do? Do you preach what you believe? Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 07:34 PM Are the wheat and tares any different than the sheep and the goats. There will be those who will say "Lord ., Lord . . etc and they will not have known Him. Are these not the goats or the tares? Of course He has every right to condemn anyone e wants. If love will not condemn then is it truly love? If love does not know the difference between good and evil and does not say so then is it truly love? I think not because love will always know the difference and always condemn what is evil and protect what is good from what is evil. Without condemnation the sacrifice of Jesus was a waste of time. Love was expressed on the cross so that a line coule be drawn in the sand. When someone crosses the line they deserve to be condemned. God is acting out of love when He condemns. Calvinism knows little about this. Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 07:39 PM Thunder, According to Calvinism and from what I gather in posts here from Calvinists, God only loves His 'elect' and hates the non-elect sinner, so love has nothing to do with God condemning a person. They were hated and condemned before they were born. Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 10:07 PM Saved, John the Baptist, preached "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is near" James the Calvinist, preaches "Repent if you have been born again and have the ability for you can see the Kingdom of Heaven and you are Elect! ....if you can't see the Kingdom of Heaven, you don't have the ability to repent and your going to hell no matter what. Post Reply
View Profile History	Calvinism, Wheat and Tares Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 10:29 PM Two be careful you will start saying that, lol Post Reply

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