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Admin	Pottery making 101 Posted : 14 Apr, 2011 08:52 PM Jeremiah 18 1-10 "........But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him. Then the word of the LORD came to me: " O house of Israel, can not I do with you as this potter does?......If at any time I announce a nation...is to be...destroyed...and if it repents of its evil, then I will relent....if...I announce a nation is to be built up....and it does evil....then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it." If Calvinists read the whole Bible then perhaps they wouldn't misunderstand the pottery verses in Romans 9.....don't ya think? Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 14 Apr, 2011 09:15 PM seem's to go hand & glove with 2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion & let's not forget 2 peter 3:9 --hay God doesn't want anyone to perish--so it's safe to assume that if we chose to repent Christ is just & faithful to fogive us individually & corporately :):) make's perfect sense to me brother twosparrows Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 06:05 AM A-men, Two! As a Christian community, we need to take an inventory of our own personal lives. If we humbly seek God in prayer and repentance of sin, changes begin in our lives. Calvin can't re-shape us, but Jesus can. HE alone is the Master Potter! Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 06:06 AM Actually two, all that says is that the potter has power over the pot to make it anyway He chooses. No hidden message there Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 06:35 AM How often I would have gathered you but YOU WOULD NOT. Two, God already knows who will and who will not so to suggest that He is intending one thing and then man somehow changes God's mind is reading into the text what is not there. Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 08:08 AM thank you John for reminding this verse! :waving: Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 08:11 AM Actually Lsu it is called believing, truth always comes to heart of man by revelation, The father is our example of calling things that be not as though they where. Did you know that when you Jesus went to the cross and died and became sin for all of mankind, and ransomed all by faith, the father sees all of mankind saved already they just have to receive it by faith. Faith that worketh by love believes the best!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 08:35 AM twosparrows I don't know what point you are making in bringing up Jeremiah 18: 2-7 and Calvinists. Jeremiah 18: 2-7. "Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;" The Lord first made a vessel on his potter's wheel which was marred. This represents physical Israel in apostasy. Then the Lord made that same lump of clay into a different vessel as seemed good to him to make it. A potter who does not like the pot he has thrown on the wheel can take it off, mix it with dry clay kneed it again, put it back on the wheel and throw a different pot with that same lump of clay. In the past I did this when I was a potter. Lets work back from Jeremiah 18: 2-7 to Isaiah 29: 16: Isaiah 29: 16 comments on the promise of II Kings 21: 13 to turn Israel upside down. There Isaiah says "Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" God's turning of things upside down is to be esteemed as the potter's clay. This is refers to Jeremiah 18: 2-7. What is II Kings 21: 13, Isaiah 29: 16 and Jeremiah 18: 2-7 all about? Its important, and in fact very important. Post Reply
VKWV1 View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 12:13 PM LSUSports: That is a total misquotation of Matthew 23:37. Jesus is talking about the treatment of the prophets, the children of God, by the Jews. Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! He's saying, if I would have been you, I would have gathered them together, protected them, loved them, cherished them, but you wouldn't do that. Instead, you killed them. This is one of the worst thing we do as imperfect beings: take one verse and not read the theme in which it was written, who it was written for, and why it was written. We all do it at times. Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 01:49 PM I didn't misquote it at all. It was a paraphrase. To take the interpretation of Two's verses the way yall are taking them you would have to say that not only did God not have power over the clay, but he didn't even know what the clay would do because the clay changed His mind somehow. And PJ, I don't even know what you are talking about. Post Reply
View Profile History	Pottery making 101 Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 02:14 PM Say What ?...:bouncy:...ima understandin what everybody is sayin here...and ima jus a...:dunce:...or is that a...:goofball:...or maybe....:rolleyes:...oh hells bells...it dont make no never mind...xo Post Reply

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