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Dialogue of John with Muslims
Posted : 12 Apr, 2011 11:20 PM
Brothers, here I offer you to read very good comments of our brother twosparrows given to my friends. Please all who want to send also your messages to Blackberry Lady and Mr Ashour (a Saudi wealthy businessman), post here your comments:
Originally posted by Blackberry Lady:
Response of twosparrows:
Blackberry Lady,
Yes, we are to love one another. So how does a Christian love a Muslim or a Jew? The Christian knows there is only One way to God, for Jesus said " I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Yet both Muslim and Jew reject these words of Jesus. Are we to pat them on the back and say you have a beautiful religion when in our heart we know they are headed for weeping and gnashing teeth in the terrible torment of eternal hell?
If you were a surgeon and traveled back in time a few thousand years and met a person with appendicitis, you alone know how to save them. Yet you can be sure people would attack you when you tried to cut the person open.
To a person caught in a lie, the truth can be very unpleasant, however if embraced it brings freedom and life
Originally posted by Walid Ashour:
Bush killed and waged wars against Muslims in the name of Christianity and he was clear when he mentioned on TV the current crusade wars on Iraq and Afghanistan, i heard it my self and many others did. Then he and the American media tried to retract what he said but t was too late. The french President Jaque Chirac made it clear that Bush spoke to him and tried to convince him that the Iraqi people are Gog and Magog, and any one could check this storyon the net, and Gog anf Magog is based on Biblical ,false, Prophecies. Yes, the wars against Muslims, whether by the Jews or/and the Christians are based on their religion.
Christianity is one bloody religion based on the fact that your God killed,brutally, his so called son for sins of people that are not evevn born yet, what a myth, anf that explains why Chritianity is a blood thirsty religion. Read the Bible:
Deut.13
1. [15] Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
Deut.20
1. [13] And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
Deut.28
1. [22] The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish
Josh.6
1. [21] And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and �, with the edge of the sword.
Josh.8
1. [24] And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword.
1Sam.22
1. [10] And he inquired of the LORD for him, and gave him victuals, and gave him the sword of Goliath the Philistine.
2. [13] And Saul said unto him, Why have ye conspired against me, thou and the son of Jesse, in that thou hast given him bread, and a sword, and hast inquired of God for him, that he should rise against me, to lie in wait, as at this day?
3. [19] And Nob, the city of the priests, smote he with the edge of the sword, both men and women, children and sucklings, and oxen, and asses, and sheep, with the edge of the sword.
Isa.1
1. [20] But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Response of twosparrows:
Dear Mr. Walid Ashour,
If your house infested with fleas do you not fumigate and try to kill every one? If you get a infection do you not take antibiotics even after the infection starts to clear up to kill every last harmful bacteria? In Genesis. 6:5-6 God saw "how great man's wickedness had become....The LORD was grieved ....and His heart filled with pain. So the LORD said 'I will wipe mankind whom I have created from the face of the earth."
Fleas produce more fleas, bacteria produces more bacteria, wicked people produce more wicked people.
When the Hebrews came into the land God had given Abraham the land was filled with people practicing wickedness. God wanted the land cleansed from wickedness so the Hebrews would have a fresh clean start. They used the sword. Through their own fault they failed in cleansing the land and became infected with the wickedness of their neighbors.
That is the history and those days are over. Those were the days of the Old Covenant between God and man. The Old Covenant was perfect obedience or be punished/killed. From history we know the Hebrews couldn't keep the Old Covenant any more than any people, they were punished and killed.
Those days are gone, now there is a New Covenant between God and man, a Covenant of Grace, Unmerited favor from God, a Covenant not based on our perfection, but based on God's love for man. This Covenant was made through Jesus. And Jesus says in Matthew 26:52 "all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
Originally posted by Ahmad El Abd:
Also tell John when did Muslims started a war
1 Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine and have the guts to say they are terrorists when they retaliate
2 Americans Brits & coalition forces all of Christian / Jewish religions invaded Iraq without a reason killing Civilians and innocent people
3 Americans / NATO invaded the poorest country in the world hopeless an innocent civilians got killed for no reason
4 Israeli invasion to Lebanon
5 Currently invading Libya killing People
and many other examples
And all are not Muslims
Response of twosparrows sent to Aliasgar and Ahmad:
You have accused me of accusing Islam and Muslims? I have my original post, I read it again to be sure. Allow me to ask you a question, ' Where do you see the Christian or Jew killing in the name of their religion?' Yes there are people from Christian Countries, and Jews who kill and wage war, but in the name of religion? In the name of their God? ...No, only the Muslim, and yes I agree not all Muslims, but it doesn't change the facts.
It is all foolishness any way, the world is old; countries come and go, religions come and go and someday even this earth will go. Only God remains the same and only God will remain. The real question is who will He take with Him? Who will He give eternal life to?
Do you think God wants people (Muslims, Jews & Christians) who hate and kill for more land, money, power, control, and even in the name of religion and God? What kind if eternal paradise would that be, a paradise full of haters and killers?
People make all kinds of things their 'god' and they will get the god they serve, the god they desire. When I look at religions I think it would be good to look for a religion that is based on love, cause that is the kind of God I want to serve, and the kind of people I want to share paradise with. I only know of one God that claims to be Love, a God that loves so much the people has created that would take part of Himself that is fully Him and experience death in their place, forever proving beyond any doubt His Love.
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