But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finish
Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 03:46 AM
Rev 20 vs 5 : What does the bible mean when it says those who died did not live again until the 1000 years were over?
They were alive once, where did they go?
The bible says in vs 6, Blessed and holy is he that has part in the FIRST resurrection. Does that mean there is a second resurrection? If there is a 2nd resurrection what is the state of the people between the resurrections?
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finish
Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 10:24 AM
Thanx James for replying.
I'm trying to rap my brain around your position.
The one thousand years is the church age. Are you a preterist?
Preterism would be the only way I would believe that people are in Heaven personally, but I'm not a preterist. I'm a millenium literalist.
You say, "and they will live again physically." Immeidiately a scripture pops up into my p-size brain, I Cor 15 vs 44 : It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiriual body.
In what state are we who are alive on earth in?
In what state do people exist in heaven?
Not sure what you mean by, " we will live again physically?'
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finish
Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 11:41 AM
As usual, I take the position that the vast majority of Christians have taken throughout church history.
I am amillenialist.
I think that view makes the most sense.
I think that postmillenialism is the second best view.
John was shown a vision. How does one see a thousand years?
John saw a "Long and perfect amount of time" and that is what he meant by "A thousand years".
If I went outside at night and looked up into the sky and said, " I can see a thousand stars!" Well, I did not count them, I was saying that there were an amazing amount of stars that I could see.
1.John's Revelation is the most symbolic book in the bible, and so it would be easy to hyper literalize it.
2. Whatever our interpretation is, we should make sure our interpretation of Revelation does NOT contradict the plain words of Jesus on the End.
If you go to www.monergism.com and check out the eschatology section, you can find good articles on Amillenialism.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finish
Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 11:52 AM
Hilltop said:
I'm trying to rap my brain around your position.
James replies:
I am Amillenial.
Hilltop said:
The one thousand years is the church age. Are you a preterist?
James replies:
I disagree with partial preterism. Hyper-preterism is flat out kooky, but lets not discuss that!
Hilltop said:
Preterism would be the only way I would believe that people are in Heaven personally, but I'm not a preterist. I'm a millenium literalist.
James replies:
Well, what about when Paul says it is better to be with God than in the Body. I did post a thread a few days ago on the intermediate state. Perhaps you missed it?
Hilltop said:
You say, "and they will live again physically." Immeidiately a scripture pops up into my p-size brain, I Cor 15 vs 44 : It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiriual body.
James replies:
That is a hard verse to understand. Paul is talking about the difference between a person who has the Holy Spirit and a person who does not.
Hilltop said:
In what state are we who are alive on earth in?
James replies:
All are physically alive, with the majority being totally spiritually dead. Some are Spiritually alive as well.
Hilltop said:
In what state do people exist in heaven?
Jesus is both fully man and fully God. He is that way now on the throne in Heaven. All the saints in heaven are there in spirit.
They are in bliss, conscious of everything, with a perfected spiritual nature, but without a physical body.
They will receive back their Earthly body, although it will be perfected also, when Christ returns.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finish
Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 02:47 PM
Agree with Dennis. We are not in the thousand years that John speaks of in Revelation 20.
Verse 2,3 -And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
I don't know about you, but I don't see satan as being bound in the bottomless pit not out deceiving nations right now.
Verse 4 -And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Where are these souls that John saw that were beheaded for Christ for not worshipping the beast? Where are they living and reigning with Christ right now? When did this all occur if it is in the past?
Verse 5,6 -But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
What is this "first resurrection" if not in the future? When did that occur? And again... where are they reigning with Christ for a thousand or how ever many years you believe it means?
Verse 7-And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
If the thousand years are the church age, and when the thousand years are expired, meaning the church age ends, what is satan loosed out of his prison for?
It makes no sense to say the thousand years is the current church age and call it a "Long and perfect amount of time" of more than two thousand years. It makes no sense to say that satan is bound now. He's not. Nations are deceived and being deceived daily. Look at Muslim nations. Totally deceived. Add the other questions I asked above, and it makes no sense. John's thousand years are literal, just as the "thousand two hundred and threescore days" the two witnesses have power and the "three days and a half" they're dead, and the "forty and two months" the beast is given power.
