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He that Believe, Believed, believeth.
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:55 PM

It is not he that interprets it is he that believes:



1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.



Who is Jesus the Saviour of but specifically those that believe.



Mr 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.



Mr 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.



Mr 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.



Mr 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.



Mr 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;



Lu 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.



Lu 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.



Lu 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.



Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.



Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:



Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.



Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.



Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.



Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)



Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.



Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.



Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.



Joh 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?



Joh 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.



Joh 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.



Joh 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.



Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.



Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.



Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works� sake.



Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.



Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;



Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?



oh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;



Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.



Joh 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.



Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.



Ac 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.



Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.



Ac 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.



Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.



Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.



Ac 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.



Ac 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:



Ac 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.



Ro 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?



Ro 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:



Ro 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:



Ro 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;



Ro 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:



Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?



Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?





1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe



2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;



Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



1Th 1:7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.



1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.



1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.



2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.



1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.



1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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He that Believe, Believed, believeth.
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:46 PM

1Ti 4:10 "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."

Maybe I am dull, but this verse is pretty self explanatory unless you believe something else before you read it.

Jesus is the Saviour of the world, All people, the whole world, however some don't want or feel they need a Savior and God grants their desire. It doesn't mean He is not their only way or source of salvation, ie their Savior.

Dear Calvinist, Was Jesus king of the Jews? Did all receive Him as their King? Nevertheless Jesus is King of the Jews, just as Jesus is the Savior of the world.

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He that Believe, Believed, believeth.
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:48 PM

Notice two how it is stated, to specifically to those that believe.

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Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:49 PM

Two do you believe Jesus, the word, lol?

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He that Believe, Believed, believeth.
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:15 PM

Yes, PJ,

Some believe the words are the Word.

I believe Jesus is the Word.

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He that Believe, Believed, believeth.
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:17 PM

Oh that is Good. it is like alternatives.

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He that Believe, Believed, believeth.
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:48 PM

"1Ti 4:10 "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."

Maybe I am dull, but this verse is pretty self explanatory unless you believe something else before you read it."

You mean like this?

"A paraphrase of what Paul is teaching in I Timothy 4:10 is this: "We have our hope set on the living God, and in this hope we shall not be disappointed, for not only is He a kind God, hence the Saviour (i.e., preserver or deliverer in a providential, non-soteriological sense) of all men, showering blessings upon them, but He is, in a very special sense, the Saviour (in a soteriological sense) of those who by faith embrace Him and His promise, for to them He imparts salvation, everlasting life in all its fulness.""

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Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:49 PM

Or this?

"This clearly implies that when He Is called the Saviour of all men, this cannot mean that He imparts to all everlasting life, as He does to believers. The term "Saviour," then, must have a meaning which we today generally do not immediately attach to it. And that is exactly the cause of the difficulty. Often In the Old Testament, the term meant "to deliver � (verbal form) or deliverer (nominal form)" � both with reference to men and God (cf. Judg. 3:9; II Kings 13:5; Neh. 9:27; Ps. 25:5; 106:21). Also, in the New Testament, reference is made to the Old Testament where God delivered Israel from the oppression of Pharaoh for He had been the Saviour of all, but specially those who believed. With the latter, and with them alone, He was "well pleased" (I Cor. 10:5). All leave Egypt; not all enter Canaan." POINT: In both the Old and New Testaments the term "Saviour" is often used to speak of God's providential preservation or deliverance which extends to all men without exception. (Cf. Ps. 36:6; 145:9; Matt. 5:45; Luke 6:35; Acts 17:25, 28.) Moreover, God also causes His gospel of salvation to be earnestly proclaimed to all men without distinction; that is, to men from every race and nation (Matt. 28:19). Truly the kindness (providence or common grace) of God extends to all. But even the circle of those to whom the message of salvation is proclaimed is wider than those who receive it by a true saving faith."

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Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 09:29 AM

Excellent points 71!



What a vast improvement over your usual posts!



Universalists use that verse to say that Jesus saves everyone who ever lives, and they would not like what you just posted.



Unlike them, you and I admit what Jesus said about Hell, and about those who belong to Him and those who don't.





In Christ,





James

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Posted : 11 Apr, 2011 02:16 PM

James, those posts were taken from what you had posted in another thread, to which I don't agree. I just pasted them here in reply to Two. I am not a universalist nor do I believe that "Jesus saves everyone who ever lives" because not everyone will accept His sacrifice. However, I do believe as that verse tells us that Jesus is the "Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." His death was enough to pay the penalty of every sin of every person, making Him the Saviour [the price is paid] of all men [sins]. You redefined Saviour to make it say what you wanted it to in order to cram it into your belief. A simple reading of the verse requires no redefining of Jesus as Saviour. He is the Saviour. And He is the Saviour of the world, of all men. If all men accepted Christ, His death was enough to pay for their salvation.

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