Author	Thread: The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence
Admin	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 09:44 PM Reformation's Doctrines of Grace in one sentence : All people will refuse God, therefore God picked a few to save against their will. (I think that covers all 5 points of Tulip in one sentence) Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 10:33 PM Imagine sitting in a church service hearing that junk. Now imagine being an unbeliever sitting in a church service hearing that junk. It would go something like... man cannot of himself believe and unless God has chosen him to salvation there is nothing he can do. So Joe Unbeliever goes home wondering if he will be one of the chosen ones. He wonders if he should sit and wait for God to choose him. But what if God doesn't choose him? And how will he know if God does choose him? He loves me... He loves me not. He loves me... He loves me not. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 11:10 PM Nope! Saved, you can't do the he love me, He love me not thing... THE ELECT already have a special knowing that they are the loved, and since we are NOT one of the elect, we would be saying, what must I do to be an elect, what must I do to be an elect, plwwwease Lord CHOOSE me! Memba me Lawd I gave o dime to the poor last week :ROFL: BTW, don't you think you need to change your screen name? Being that you are not one of the elect, so what right do you have to call yourself Saved. What are you saved from, or have you been saved from? Well, maybe you should first ask Rev. Dr. Pop-Theologian James, he would know for sure if you should consider yourself saved and a part of the elect group. No need of getting yourself all worked up thinking you are SAVED when you're not, until James tells you what you must do to be an elect and saved. I don't wanta see you disappointed:zzzz::purpleangel::ROFL: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 08:42 AM Thank God that Jesus isn't a calvinist and the Truth remains that WHOSOEVER will may come. GLORY!!!!! Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 11:59 AM Two - All people will refuse God, therefore God picked a few to save against their will. Ryan - I would say that is an accurate representation of your misunderstanding of Calvinism and nothing more. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:12 PM Okay Ryan, What is a accurate representation of the correct understanding of Calvinism in one sentence? Come on, we're all the same team, instead of just pointing out problems, how about some solutions! I see this sentence satisfying every one of the 5 points of Tulip Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:18 PM Ryan what Two said is very accurate, for there is no truth to the elect and grace justification. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:43 PM Well it is true that no will choose, for none seek after Christ as the scriptures say. However God doesn't choose people against their will, rather He changes the heart of some to who would have never changed their own heart. That's different than saying He saves people against their will. Furthermore, I'm not sure why this is so often viewed as evil, as if to say "How could God be this cruel to man". My question is what exactly does man deserve from God? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:54 PM 'Saving people against their will.' God chooses people before they were born regardless of their will, otherwise it would not be 'unconditional election'. And from the doctrine of 'total depravity' we know every man's will is set against God. There is no other choice than for God to pick a few to save against their will. So how is this statement untrue? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:59 PM He deserves everything according to the word of God Ryan, but the father deemed it so. that is why. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Gospel of Calvinism in One Sentence Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:00 PM 1Sa 2:6-8 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up. He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 71 said: Imagine sitting in a church service hearing that junk. James replies: Don't worry 71. Just stay in an Arminian church and you will NEVER HEAR verses like the above preached on. The pastor and YOU will pretend they are not in the Bible. And IF anytime you WISH to hear the WHOLE Word of God preached, you can find a presbyterian, or Reformed church in your town, and you can go there and worship with your brothers and sisters in Christ. 71 continues: Now imagine being an unbeliever sitting in a church service hearing that junk. It would go something like... man cannot of himself believe and unless God has chosen him to salvation there is nothing he can do. So Joe Unbeliever goes home wondering if he will be one of the chosen ones. He wonders if he should sit and wait for God to choose him. But what if God doesn't choose him? And how will he know if God does choose him? He loves me... He loves me not. He loves me... He loves me not. James replies: That is not only childish, but misrepresenting the lost person! If God SAVES "Joe unbeliever", JOE WILL repent and trust in Christ! Do you have ANY IDEA of church history???? Do you realize HOW MANY Christians attend Calvinist churches EVERY WEEK??? We have people who accept Christ and become members of my church somewhat regularly, and I attend a very small church. Your view of Joe unbeliever, is a person who has went to a Arminian church for years and years. That doesn't make sense, and no matter because the Holy Spirit takes totally spiritually dead people and MAKES them INTO new creatures. And your last comment, also childish, is meaningless. The same tests in Scripture apply to ALL Christians, Arminian or Calvinist. It was NOT your decision that saved you 71. Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. NO ONE seeks for God 71, and that includes Joe unbeliever. Rom 3:9-12 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. In Christ, James Post Reply

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