Author	Thread: Logic vs. Spirit II
Admin	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 08:33 AM Did you hear what the man, said about the man that trys to communicate spiritual things being logical, or employing logic in understanding spiritual matters. Logic is like a log in the eye you see, or do you really see with the log in the eyes. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. One more thought how is it that logic, a product of the mind is any greater after a man is saved than before he is saved. For the bible does teach the word of God is believed with the heart and as it is received in the heart it grows. By the way when the bible speaks of faith, bible faith is of the heart, the spirit of man!!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 09:44 AM It seems as if Logic has said ' I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of the assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the top of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 11:38 AM twosparrows - It seems as if Logic has said ' I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of the assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the top of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' Ryan - Big leap. How does logic say that? Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 11:45 AM By taking the place of the Holy Spirit and declaring itself the Supreme revealer of truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 11:48 AM Takes lesson from Job and his friends : 'Where you end God begins' Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 11:56 AM twosparrows - By taking the place of the Holy Spirit and declaring itself the Supreme revealer of truth. Ryan - Sure if that's what logic did. You still refuse to show how it does. You just keep making the claim. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 12:07 PM Ryan the first thing a born again christian would do is listen, you continually display an attitude that communicates, you are not willing to hear or see, and nobody can do anything with that. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 12:19 PM If not agreeing with you is not listening, then you are guilty of this yourself. Over and over I have asked for answers, and the answers seem to most often be an attack on me as a person and not dealing with actual issue. You say I'm not acting as someone born again, yet your reason is because I don't listen(agree with) to you. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:02 PM No Ryan you do not listen to scripture, I am not the issue. one would have to religiously brainwashed to follow Calvin, it is not an attack on you, but there is no truth in following reformation theology, and I am not interested in discussing it any further. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:07 PM PJ - one would have to religiously brainwashed to follow Calvin Ryan - I guess it's a good thing I don't follow Calvin then. I've hardly ever read anything the man wrote. PJ - and I am not interested in discussing it any further. Ryan - Ok, so we will see less of these threads from you then I assume Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:08 PM Ryan, Systematic Theology uses logic to determine truth which then becomes the premise for determining further truth, which is fine to a point. That point is where the logical thinker makes presumptions based on logic which go beyond what the Bible says. A good example is the doctrine of the Total Depravity of man. We all agreethe Bible teaches mankind is depraved and cannot save himself, however the Calvinist goes beyond what the Bible says and declares that after the fall man cannot even choose God when God presents him with the choice, in fact they have systematically deduced through the use of logic that man lost the ability to choose, something the Bible doesn't teach. So there you have it, a explanation and example of how logic declares itself as a greater teacher than the Bible by going beyond what the Bible teaches and declaring it as truth, then logically builds 4 more points of truth on top of that. When they have it all logically figured out they go around letting everyone know and how everyone else's understanding is wrong because it is not logically deduced. What is one of the Jehovah Witnesses favorite saying?....." Let us reason the Scriptures together." Post Reply

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