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No Arminians on this group! (LOL!)
Posted : 31 Mar, 2011 06:21 PM

The funniest thing about being on this group is all the Arminians on this group, and NOT ONE of them will admit it! LOL!



They will post articles written by Arminians, to refute Calvinism.



They will fight for and defend ALL FIVE POINTS or at minimum the first four points and then say silly things like:



"I don't follow Calvin or Arminius, I follow Jesus"



And then go right back taking each and every position of Arminianism.



And notice, how in each point there are only two Choices:















1. The Fall hurt mankind, but fallen mankind still has a free will, and can

choose to repent and trust in Jesus.



This is Arminianism, and the only other possibility is that fallen mankind LOST the ability because Adam and Eve died spiritually that day.













2. God only "elected" people, because he looked in to the future and saw they

would have faith, and because He saw they would have faith, He then wrote their

names in the book of life.





This is Arminianism, and the Bible says that God elected people because of HIS CHOICE and NOT because of anything anyone would do.













3. Jesus died for everyone who ever lived.





Notice again, there are only TWO choices.

He died for everyone, OR.......He died for His people.













4. God's grace can be resisted (God can't make you repent and trust in Jesus)





Again, only two choices, you can resist His will, or not.













5. A true Christian may, or may not be able to lose their salvation.





Arminians are divided over this one to this day!



You would think they would have decided by now.



But Calvinists say a true Christian can NOT lose their salvation, because Salvation is up to GOD.



I do wonder about the Arminians who believe a true Christian can not lose their salvation. If each and every Christians salvation depends on them, then HOW can you say each and every one will persevere to the end if it is up to them????





In Christ,





James

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Posted : 31 Mar, 2011 08:53 PM

Good post James,

However, even though you posted mostly fair and honest material this time it is still in error. Because there is not only two choices and. person is not either a Calvinist or a Arminian as your logic suggests. Take me for example :

1. Fallen mankind cannot repent and trust Jesus, however fallen mankind can cooperate with or reject the Holy Spirit's drawing.

2. Election, granted it is not based on our righteousness because we have none, however it could be based on....who knows what? God doesn't say. Therefore it is Not "unconditional". Further more it is the Body of Christ that is Elect, and it is your choice to cooperate with the Holy Spirit and become a member of the Body of Christ which IS elect, choosen and predestined.

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Posted : 1 Apr, 2011 05:42 AM

How can this be so? Did jesus say wewould be one or the other. did Jesus say to follow him or man's doctrines.

james as soon as a person goes to man's doctrines he is in error.

has it ever occurred to you that their may be a 4th choice. Follow jesus and not calvin or Arminians.

Why can you not just follow jesus or is this to hard for you?

Unlike the others I do not insult here, I just ask questions.

were their not the same issues with the pharasees and sadducees in the day of jesus. jesus said follow me.

hmmmmmmmmmm

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Posted : 1 Apr, 2011 04:21 PM

James wrote - "1. The Fall hurt mankind, but fallen mankind still has a free will, and can choose to repent and trust in Jesus. This is Arminianism, and the only other possibility is that fallen mankind LOST the ability because Adam and Eve died spiritually that day."

Call it Arminianism or whatever you will James, but Scripture shows we have a choice to either choose or deny Christ...

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! -Matthew 23:37

Israel chose not to accept Christ. Israel was unwilling to come to the Lord. And in the following verse in Isaiah 65:12, Israel chose to ignore God, they chose instead in those things that did not delight God.

"Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose [that] wherein I delighted not."

James wrote - "2. God only "elected" people, because he looked in to the future and saw they would have faith, and because He saw they would have faith, He then wrote their names in the book of life. This is Arminianism, and the Bible says that God elected people because of HIS CHOICE and NOT because of anything anyone would do."

All believers are God's elect. Some on this forum have tried to explain that to you. Sure, God knows who will or will not accept Him, and He predestines accordingly. To believers, some are predestined to become Pastors, Evangelists, Missionaries, etc. .

James wrote - "3. Jesus died for everyone who ever lived. Notice again, there are only TWO choices. He died for everyone, OR.......He died for His people."

James, I presented to you at least a dozen verses stating clearly that Christ paid the penalty of sin upon the Cross for EVERYONE. At least twice I presented them to you. With the exception of a couple articles NOT written by you which did not answer the questions, you ignored them. And if I put them here, chances are you would ignore them yet again. But you will still go on pasting your Calvinistic teachings, calling us all Arminian's [or whatever] and telling us how wrong we are.

James wrote - "4. God's grace can be resisted (God can't make you repent and trust in Jesus) Again, only two choices, you can resist His will, or not."

Yep, you can resist the call of God. I gave you 2 verses above and here's another one..

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye. - Acts 7:51

Sure doesn't sound like the irresistible grace you preach all over the forum, does it?

James wrote - "5. A true Christian may, or may not be able to lose their salvation. Arminians are divided over this one to this day! You would think they would have decided by now. But Calvinists say a true Christian can NOT lose their salvation, because Salvation is up to GOD. I do wonder about the Arminians who believe a true Christian can not lose their salvation. If each and every Christians salvation depends on them, then HOW can you say each and every one will persevere to the end if it is up to them????"

Read the letters to the 7 Churches in Revelation. Why would Jesus give them warning, plea with them to repent, with a promise of judgment if they didn't, if there were such thing as unconditional salvation or whatever you Calvinists call it? Why would the Lord encourage us to overcome so our name would not be blotted out of the Book of Life if there were no chance it could happen?

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