Here are some paraphrases from the Bible that on the surface seem to suggest a world in which there people who are the offspring of God living among and mixed with people who are the offspring of Satan.
God's seed will crush the head of Satans seed.
The sons of God saw the daughters of men were beautiful and took them for their wives.
All creation groans in eager expectation to the sons of God to be revealed.
A enemy sneaks in and plants tare seeds among Gods wheat seeds that He planted.
Jesus says the reason some don't understand and believe is because their father is Satan.
And one of the toughest verses in the Bible where Jesus quotes Isaiah to answer why He speaks in parables : lest they hear and understand and turn from their ways and be saved.
* There is something going on with all this, and it is not "Unconditional Election" as these verses suggest not a choosing or marking out of some, but more of,...almost as if.... God started out with His children and Satan mixed his children with God's children. And at first no one but God knows who is who until it is revealed.
Thoughts? Comments? Muses? Ideas? More Scriptures in the same vein?
So the tares (satan's children) are sown in with the wheat(God's children) in the middle of the night by their father. (secretly) _____________________________ Jude- verse 4- For there are certain men (satan's children) crept in unawares (secretly) , who were before of old ordained (prepared) to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (evil), and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. _____________________________ You're on to something TS. I "see" but don't know how to express it out loud.
"Gods seed"=Holy spirit. Christ in Jesus, Jesus Christ in us, hope of Glory, Humility/Love.
Becarefull with "seed" lingo, and "seed" doctrine...that can lead to some evil, evil stuff. (not saying it has...just saying it HAS before...)
Those who lack the fear of God, and live for self, have the seed of the devil, the father of Lies "you shall not surely die" in them..."you will be like gods" ...instead of accepting the seed/spirit of God, the seed of abraham...FAITH in God to save you, nothing of self.
at least that how i see it as of now...Serpent seed/satans seed doctrines can go another way...and...well..its unbiblical.
Yup !!! John 8:44 ~ Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
I really wish you would give chapter and verse, so we could know what you are quoting.
IN Genesis 3:15 God said:
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed."
Humanity is divided BY GOD into two communities, the redeemed who loved God and the reprobate who love self.
(John 8:33, 44 1John 3:8)
two said:
The sons of God saw the daughters of men were beautiful and took them for their wives.
James replies:
There are three theories on this difficult verse.
It is a long subject, but I take the view that the "sons of god" were wicked rulers at that time, kind of like warlords.
So this verse has nothing to do with the others.
Two said:
All creation groans in eager expectation to the sons of God to be revealed.
James replies:
Romans 8:19-22? Yes, all creation groans, and we Christians do also, because we are waiting to be glorified, and have a perfect physical body, and a perfect nature that does not desire sin.
And Yes, God DOES have a chosen people Twosparrows.
Two said:
A enemy sneaks in and plants tare seeds among Gods wheat seeds that He planted.
James replies:
There will be enemies in the church, and false believers who spend their time with Christians, as if they are really part of the true church.
Two said:
Jesus says the reason some don't understand and believe is because their father is Satan.
James replies:
You and I can't look at anyone and tell if they are elect or not, but JESUS COULD. He KNEW who were elect and who were not.
Two said:
And one of the toughest verses in the Bible where Jesus quotes Isaiah to answer why He speaks in parables : lest they hear and understand and turn from their ways and be saved.
James replies:
Jesus taught in parables for a LOT of reasons. It was a common Teaching method of Rabbi's. It was a way of helping students to remember important points, etc.
I am not sure where you got this verse, but If it is the one I am thinking of, this is Jesus fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy, were people would hear but not understand. If a person were only casually interested in Jesus, they would hear the parable, and not try to understand it, because that would require them to CARE and try and figure it out. Parables weed out the people who don't really believe in Jesus.
Two said:
* There is something going on with all this, and it is not "Unconditional Election" as these verses suggest not a choosing or marking out of some, but more of,...almost as if.... God started out with His children and Satan mixed his children with God's children. And at first no one but God knows who is who until it is revealed.
James replies:
LOL! Yeah, that is right Twosparrows, "almost as if God started out" with" a people for Himself".
Ephesians 1:4: Even as he CHOSE us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF
THE WORLD, that we should be holy and blameless before him.
Matthew 24:22,24,31: And if those days had not been shortened, no
human being would be saved; but for the sake of the ELECT those days
will be shortened...For false Christs and false prophets will arise
and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible
even the ELECT... and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet
call, and the will gather HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end
of the earth to the other.
1 Peter 2:8,9...For they stumble because they disobey the word, as
they were DESTINED to do. But you are a CHOSEN RACE, a royal
priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the
wonderful deeds of him who CALLED you out of the darkness into his
marvelous light.
But hey, I chose Jesus! Right???
John 15:16: You did not choose me, but I CHOSE YOU and APPOINTED YOU
that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide;
so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
And, if you want another 50 verses that say the same thing, just ask, I will post them for you.
I must say, twosparrows, I like the way you are "musing".
In Christ,
James
Thoughts? Comments? Muses? Ideas? More Scriptures in the same vein?
Thanks James, I knew you couldn't resist trying to turn this into unconditional election, which is why I stressed there is something more than election going on. Yes, you should know by now (if you've been paying attention) that I believe in election, just not "unconditional". The only unconditional election is "cooperate".
As for your 50 verses, it sounds convincing, however I know from other verses you have posted you do not interpret scripture correctly, in fact you let others interpret it for you.
:ROFL: yeah, Jude its more than amusing to me... its rather AMAZING to me of the spiritual insights into God's Word, no one quotes the whole scripture... especially, Genesis chapter 3:15 when God speaks to the serpent (devil) saying, "I will put enmity (hostility) between you, and the woman, and between your seed and her seed shall bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel."
I would like to know what seed is God speaking about here? hmmmmmm.... Does a woman have a seed?
Also, in Jude verse 4, it says, " For there re certain men who cript in unaware, who were before of old ordained to this condenmation, ungodly men, turing the grace of our God into laseiviousmess, and denying the only Lord God, an dour Lord Jesus Christ."
So who is Jude speaking about here? And what is he speaking about here? He's speaking about false prophets with no morals who crept into the churches teaching false doctrine to the new converts. This is why Jude xhorts Christians to stand firm in they faith and contend for they faith against theological error and false teachers and doctrines. That God will judge...
Again, I speak about spiritual REVELATION THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD INTO HIS WORD, vs. man's own INTERPRETATION of God's word based on his own limited understanding. Therefore, the sons of God and daughters of men In Genesis chapter 6, is not this speaking about the men who were considered holy men of God, because of their love for God, who intermarried with unsaved women? According to what scriptures speaks I think it is... and this dispelased God that Seth's decendants who were raised to respect, honor and love God would married decendants from Cain's who hated God. I mean this is what I read in this chapter, maybe I need some more dollar store eye glasses lol.
I'm not going into all the rest of the incorrect stuff that is posted ...
Yes, I'm truly amazed at how these scritpures have been misinterpreted to mean something that they are not saying. Lean not to your own understanding, the work of the Holy Spirit is to lead us into the knowledge and revelation of God's Word, and the things of God. Still can't find the birth of satan's children outside of thsie who deny God's truth, and are rebellious, and stuiffnecked, and into sins as being children of satan...
