Thread: If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
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If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 02:59 PM
Hi everybody, I wondered if anyone could clear things up for me, or had an answer.
I was thinking, and this isnt FOR one opinion, or against another:
Q: WHY do dispensationalists/Pre-Trib Rapture believers, have SUCH an obsession on Prophesy, and Revelation?
Its an obsession, that actually has become a demi-God. An Idol, sort to speak.
But truly, If the Pre-trib rapture happens, Why does trying to figgure out what is going to happen in the future truly matter? We wont be here. SO why are you even talking about Who will be The "Anti Christ" or What the BEast will be, When is the temple going to be built, or what horse is what, and how, and the trumpets...yadayada...IF there IS a rapture of the Church, Before all the Tribulation starts? Why does Prophesy even matter? We wont be here. We will be with Jesus, knowing all anyway.
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 04:07 PM
Well I am not pre-tribe, mid-trib or post-trib, I am pan-trib, however it pans out.
I heard J. Vernon Mcgee say this years ago and couldn't agree more.
You have already answered your own question in your post; (it's a demi-god) It is so much easier than taking responsibility and being accountable, easier than actually loving your neighbor and your enemies, easier than trying to get to know God on a personal level, trying to hear and discern His voice. Why getting caught up in figuring out prophecy is so easy, you don't even need God to do it. It is a distraction, a sand trap, spiritual quicksand. It takes our focus off of living for Jesus today, this very second and puts it onto a obscure, nebulous future which yeilds no fruit except the fruit of controversy and division.
Jesus told his disciples : 'I tell you these things now so when they happen, you will believe.'
Future prophecy is for those who are living when it happens. If the church gets raptured out, there will still be people Gods loves and who He calls, to these this prophecy will yield the fruit of Faith and Trust in God and wil probably bring many to Him.
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 04:56 PM
The answer is very simple if it is in the bible, it is there for a reason, and what I see happening is very obvious Satan gas done a good job in slinging unbelief and diverting the church from the church, you should be able to get your answer from there.
But if you display an attitude as to any aspect of the rapture, one always has to do with himself.
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 06:15 PM
RKF, you hit the nail on the head with your observation.
Scripture gives us the timing of the "rapture."
Matt 24 vs 29 : Immediately after the tribulation- ok, what tribulation? vs 21 : For there will be great tribulation,SUCH AS HAS NOT BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
So here it is, (vs 29) AFTER,(vs 21) the Great Tribulation- what ? vs 31 He (Jesus) will send out His Angels who will gather together His elect. We meet Jesus at His second coming.
Could it be any plainer? And some people have made millions pushing the pre-trib rapture nonsense.
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 08:08 PM
Im not agaisnt it.(pretrib) I Was pre trib. Now im Post trib.(but again its ALL my own understanding...which we arent supposed to lean on...) I leared allot in the past 7 months...(and most of what i learned is that i dont know very much)and ALL of the "I know the truth" debates out there just make me wonder certain things. Hence this thread.
Today, my Father(P.T/Dispensationlist) Was watching a program on T.v. (becasue thats what one would do...)
And it was a prophesy show, and the guy on it, was explaining What Gog and magog would be, and who the beast most likely is, etc...
And I was like "WHY dont you spend money on something important..." ( like spreading the actual gospel, or helping suffering Followers of Jesus, in other country...our country...etc...Anyway...) "...instead of speanding millions of dollars on spreading an idea, and making a show, about pretrib/dispensational prophesy, for people that believe the same way as you do, When You and those people...will not be here when all that stuff takes place? If its a "Secret rapture" people wont beleive all the stuff left behind anyway....So whats the sence of making show after show, book after book...special after special, movie after movie, about a Pre trib rapture....Who is this For? "
It just really confuses me, Like i said above...its making Pre trib rapture, adn prophesy...an idol...But even if you dont see it that way, whats the point of making things about, adn speculating about, something you wont even be around to know if your right? Is that following Jesus?
Sometimes i want to go pay Hal lindsey's Moustache a visit and ask it what the big idea is!
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 04:21 AM
Brothers,
The prophecies on the Second Coming of God Jesus are VERY important for us. Why? Because they explain us the future. All these prophecies are like a LOOK of God of the future events or it is a BIG picture of what will happen soon. These words were said by god though the prophets not in vain but to instruct us and prepare to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
If we know that some of so-called Christian or in-the-name-only Christians will be left on earth and will not be raptured by God then what should we do? We should sober up and live as God says by OBEYING Him and IMPLEMENTING His words. Thus, all the prophecies are the part of the Holy Scripture which is useful for every one of us.
2 Timothy 3:16�17
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
How can we try to get to know God on a personal level, trying to hear and discern His voice?
Only through the study and meditation on the words of God written in the Bible! That�s why by studying the prophecies we are able to KNOW God and His will and act according to His will.
Yes, it is easy to get caught up in figuring out prophecy, you don't even need God to do it. It is a distraction, a sand trap, spiritual quicksand. But if God COULD be KNOWN by us and SHOULD be known! By knowing the Scriptures we can get the BIG picture of what is our future and how to change our present accordingly! Our future will be not a obscure and nebulous if we LIVE as God says. And by living as God says in His prophecies we will bring the fruit of love.
Thus, the future prophecy is not only for those who are living when it happens but for every one of us given to us to prepare us to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Just try to open the Book of prophecies called Isaiah and you will see God Jesus almost in every chapter of this book written many centuries before His birth on earth!
Why do we discuss the future? To be ready to face it!
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 05:11 AM
bahira,
How can we try to get to know God on a personal level, trying to hear and discern His voice?
Only through the study and meditation on the words of God written in the Bible!
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That is only 50% of it (and I am being generous). The best way to know God. on a personal level, learning to hear and discern His voice is by putting His words into practice and through prayer, just reading Scripture and meditation is not enough. It is kinda tough to put prophecy into practice although I agree it should not be ignored.
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 05:30 AM
Brother, many people listen to the voices of their own gods.
But generally the True God is speaking though the Bible and people.
God chose to reach people through people.
The Holy Spirit is teaching us and we are able to discern the voice of God from the false gods/idols and voices of demons in head which address to many people.
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 04:43 PM
Q: WHY do dispensationalists/Pre-Trib Rapture believers, have SUCH an obsession on Prophesy, and Revelation?
*** I have Absolutly no idea...I asked Father God / Jesus / Holy Spirit about all this stuff a long while back...He didnt have much to say about it except that I didnt need to worried or focused on such things...I really love it when GOD takes the quess work out of the equasion...:winksmile:...xo
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 07:15 PM
My sister listens regularly to Harold Campton. Harold Campton is preaching that the rapture will take place on May 21st 2011. He says that he is 100 persent sure of this because the bible says so. He says he has calculated 100 percent with no room for error, that the rapture will take place on May 21st 2011. And that the world will end on October 21st. I have always believed that the bible said in the book of Matthew that no man will know the day or the hour? But Harold Campton is preaching that the verse actually means that the unsaved will not know the day or the hour. And he will come like a theif in the night to the unsaved. Could someone please explain this to me and my sister. Thank you!
If there IS a pre-trib rapture, Why does Trying to uncrack Revelation matter?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 10:08 PM
Harold Campton, if my memory serves me right, is a engineer and a gifted mathematician. He began to see patterns in the Bible and through the use of assigning values to words and the number of times they are used, came up with a formula or equation that points to May 21st 2011.
Simply put, the Bible is not written in a secret mathematical code to be figured out. It is written plainly to reveal the true nature of man and the true nature of God, and most importantly reveals the Love and Grace of God, His unmerited favor to mankind, manifested in Jesus. The Bible is a invitation to you personally to embrace a relationship with God through Jesus, a invitation to eternal life, complete with instructions if you decide to accept the invitation. In light of what the Bible IS personally to You, relatively speaking, the rapture is of little importance.
So Mr. Campton says it only the unsaved won't know, perhaps we should read the verse:
Matt 24:36 ~ " But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."
So let me see if I have this correct: The angels don't know, Jesus doesn't know, but Harold Campton does ? And the Bible says ONLY the Father knows.
With all do respect to you and your sister, at the very least, Mr. Campton is mistaken, at the worst he is a false prophet. I can't judge him, but I know the Bible says he is wrong.
