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Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 10:03 AM

Brothers,

Let�s consider today why we all should support the nation of Israel.

And let�s read today the Holy Scripture and see how God views it as well.

Zion is a term that most often refers to Jerusalem and, by extension, the Biblical land of Israel. The word is found in the HOLY texts dating back almost three millennia. �Zion� has been referring to the entire city of Jerusalem and the Land of Israel and the term is sometimes used to refer to a Promised Land in general. It commonly referred to a specific mountain near Jerusalem (Mount Zion).

So just what is a Zionist?

Zionist is a Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century. By all popular definitions of the term "Zionist", it is someone who believes that the land of Israel has been promised to the Jews by God, and that it is their eternal homeland. Almost all of you think Zionists are part of an "evil cabal" of Jews whose plan is world domination through the use of the world's financial markets and through the media. This idea is not new and there have been people who espoused that idea such as Adolph Hitler and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and many of you.

We all can have our own views and often they are wrong. How do we know that we are wrong? We know that we are wrong only if we compare our views with the views of God!

Only His standards are correct. Only by conforming our lives to His standards, we can be sure that we know His will and this knowledge or TRUTH can make us FREE.

But what you all should know is the VIEWS of God on Israel.

We must look at the "big picture� with a God's worldview to understand who we are and where we are going. Why only His views are sound? Because He is the Supreme Being, called God, does not keep our future in secret but He has given us His Revelations through His prophets to CHANGE our present and ENSURE our safe arrival at our destination in the dwelling place of God.

So, how does God see the future of the Land of Israel?

According to the Holy Bible, God dwells among His people. And God called Israel as His people. Who are His people Jews?

My brother Abdullah said the other day:



Originally Posted by Abdullah Ibn Adam



Exactly. So you admit that the word "Jew" means a descendant of Judah (Yahudah in Hebrew), who was born 3 generations after Ibrahim.



And "Israel" is the other name of Ya'qub/Jacob, who was Ibrahim's grandson.



So how exactly can Ibrahim be considered a "Jew" or "Israelite" if he lived before both Judah and Jacob????



Wake up man. It seems that your false 'aqidah has given you brain damage, so you can't even see which way is up anymore.

My response to Abdullah was as follows:

Salam Abdullah,

Of course I know what you said about Ya'qub...

Look a group of people was chosen by God and separated by Him from other nations to reveal His nature LOVE.

This group of people was called later by the members of this Group and by God Himself as Israel and Jews.

Look it is the same if I am Bahira would marry Osaze Omar and then my name would be Bahira Omar. But my origin will not be changed in this case. If I am Yahoodi I will be Yahoodi no matter who is Omar. Thus, the name of the group was Israel and Jews. Does this name change their origin? No. Why? Because they were Yahoodies and they are Yahoodies today because blood of their father Ibrahim is in their vanes!!!! No matter how would you call them Jews or Israelites. The same way Arabs are Israel too because blood of Ibrahim is in their vanes too. But they call themselves as Arabs. Thus, name is nothing but ORIGIN is everything. God gave the similar blessings to the both groups Arabs and Jews. He blessed them.

Thus, God chose one of the groups of people which was later called Israel and Jews.

We must remember that Israel, the nation, is very special to God.

God addressed to Israelites:

"For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt."

Deuteronomy 7:6-8

Who of gods of this earth addressed to His people with such love and affection?!

No one.

Because God chose Israel to bless the world through Israel. Our Bible is a Jewish Book, and our Savior Jesus is a Jewish Savior. He was and is a Jew.

But it is true also that Israel, today, is in the place of rejection.

Today Israel is rejecting God Jesus like Muslims. Today the nation is a secular, unbelieving but "�at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace" (Romans 11:5). This remnant is Jews who believe in God Jesus. They are chosen by God and forgiven of all their sins through their FAITH in death and resurrection of God Jesus. Some Jews are being saved through faith in their Messiah. Other Jews are still waiting for His Coming. And surely they will see Him when He will descend with His mighty army of angels and saints to defend Jerusalem during the Islamic war Armageddon. Then Jews will see His pierced hands and they will recognize how wrong they were when they rejected over 300 prophecies about Messiah which were all fulfilled in God Jesus. But this Coming of Messiah will be to judge the nations and set up His 1,000 year reign of peace on earth. Who will be defeated and who will not escape His Judgment Day? Those who fight against God of Israel. But for you God says today that in the Last Days, He will return the Jews to the land of Zion/ Israel, as He regathered them from the four corners of the globe.

"But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever." Micah 4: 1,2,6,7

What does it mean? What does this prophecy mean?

We clearly see that God will reign over Jerusalem.

God gives a promise in this passage through the prophet Micah, that the day would come when Israel would be restored, and that the Jews would be returned home. We can see fulfillment of this prophecy today.

More over, God gave a promise to Ibrahim/Abraham in Genesis 12:3.

God promised that children of Ibrahim would be as the sand of the seashore, and that there would be a special blessing, or a curse to everyone who either blessed the Jew, or hated them.



Now the LORD had said to Abram:

�Get out of your country,

From your family

And from your father�s house,

To a land that I will show you.

I will make you a great nation;

I will bless you

And make your name great;

And you shall be a blessing.

I will bless those who bless you,

And I will curse him who curses you;

And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.�

Genesis 12: 1-3



God promises that when we bless the Jew, that God Himself will give us a blessing in return. That goes for how we view His holy land, Israel, as well. The nation Israel would be blessed above all other nations, and that all nations would be blessed out of Israel. The Bible teaches us that Israel is forever to be a Jewish possession.

But why?

The Scripture says that blessing would come to all the other nations in addition to Israel. It says, �That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.� Galatians 3:14 All the nations of the world, then, would be blessed by Israel, through whom would come the Savior of the world.

God is not only going to bless all nations through Israel but to give us the King, the Messiah who will reign over all nations on earth.



His name will be Mighty God:



For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,

and the government will be on his shoulders.

And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,

Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end.

He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom,

establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness

from that time on and forever.

The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

Isaiah 9:6-7



Who is He who dares to be called by such name?

He was killed on earth for His BOLDLY claims to be God.

God said that He is the Messiah.

God said that He is God Jesus.

You do not believe?

You will see Him�..

But whether it will be late for you or not, YOU should DECIDE already now.



Galatians 3 (New King James Version)

Galatians 3

Justification by Faith

1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain�if indeed it was in vain?

5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?� 6 just as Abraham �believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.� 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, �In you all the nations shall be blessed.� 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

The Law Brings a Curse



10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, �Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.� 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for �the just shall live by faith.� 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but �the man who does them shall live by them.�

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, �Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree�), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Changeless Promise



15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man�s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, �And to seeds,� as of many, but as of one, �And to your Seed,� who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Purpose of the Law



19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Sons and Heirs



26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ�s, then you are Abraham�s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Posted : 20 Mar, 2011 12:18 PM

Your friend doesn't understand that all Israel is not Israel, nor are all the descendants of Abraham the children of Abraham, (both Jews and Arabs). God is Spirit, therefore has a spiritual family. Jesus said He had other sheep not of this sheepfold.

I find it interesting that very rarely does Jesus openly claim to be the Messiah, yet to the ancestors of the Muslims, Jesus says it more plainly when talking with the Samaritan woman than He did to the Jews.

I would say these could be considered Jesus's words to Muslims : " You worship what you do not know, we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

As for the future of Israel; God has not forgotten her; a time is coming when they will mourn over the One they have pierced.

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Posted : 21 Mar, 2011 03:40 AM

thank u for good comment.

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