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Which God is more Sovereign?
Posted : 8 Mar, 2011 09:23 PM

Which Hod is more Sovereign?

A) A God who accomplishes His will through a dictatorship.

B) A God who bestows free will yet still accomplishes His will.



A) A God who cannot be recognized by a un-regenerate un-believer.

B) A God who can make Himself known to anyone, even a sinner who will reject Him.



A) A God whose Atonement is only for a few.

B) A God whose Atonement is for all.



A) A God whose image and the knowledge of eternity can be wiped away with one act of disobedience by Adam and Eve.

B) A God whose image is retained in the knowledge of eternity in the creatures He created in His image



A) A God that makes a plan of Salvation and limits it only a few.

B) A God that makes a plan of Salvation and offers it to all.



A) A God who pre-picks some and makes them come.

B) A God who gives free will and knows those are His will come to Him.



A) A God who begs for Love.

B) A God who offers Love.



I asked myself why this crowd preaches the Sovereignty of God so much when clearly they preach a God who is less Sovereign than the Bible teaches. Then the answer came to me : They are over compensating for their inferior view of the Sovereignty of God, therefore they preach the Sovereignty of God and few look past to what they actually teach about the Sovereignty of God.

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Posted : 8 Mar, 2011 10:27 PM

They it is a very good observation Two, it is what I call Mr Justification talking, he always talks as if he is right, but as you learn this simple truth, a lie is always told to hide the truth.



Sovereign is a biblical term and it is applicable to the one true God, and he gave us this truth that we may know him as he is, the I am.



Jn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



Take note of the eighteen verse I have not heard anyone say yet, that he that believeth is not what it means, lol

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 04:56 AM

PJ,

Allow me to "interpret" verse 18: (As a Calvinist would)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

( Really means : )

Jn 3:18 He that (is elect) is not condemned: but he that (is not elect) not is condemned already, because he hath not (not been chosen) in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

(James, how did I do? Pretty good huh?!)

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 10:29 AM

As Sherlock Holmes would say...Watson !!!...I believe You've got it !!!...xo

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 04:06 PM

The first thing is not take a verse out of context.



In other words, make sure your interpretation goes along with the subject the author is speaking about.



Taking a verse out of context is the most common mistake.



For example, Paul says, "Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit."



Now, I have heard that verse used for everything from smoking cigarettes, to eating twinkies.



It is NOT about smoking or eating twinkies. If you check the context, Paul was speaking about sexual sins.



So, it does not apply to cigarettes, etc.



SECONDLY, and this one is the second most common reason for misinterpreting a verse, make sure YOUR interpretation does not contradict any other verses of Scripture.



For instance.....The Bible plainly teaches that a true Christian cannot lose their salvation. However, there are three or four verses in Hebrews, that at first glance seem to say that you can.



IF.....a Christian demands that you CAN lose your salvation, then they have made the Bible contradict itself.



Here is the rule:



The unclear verses are to be interpreted in light of the clear verses.



NOT the other way around! And sadly, there are MANY Christians who flat out REFUSE to follow this rule.



Just don't be one of them.





In Christ,



James

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 04:27 PM

James,

What did you say? Or why did you say it?

Anyway, the 'you body is the temple' scripture, yes you are right, in context it is about sexual sin, however the way the phrased is used, it is teaching a principle which makes the principle applicable to..lets say drunkenness , which is in agreement with Scripture. However I do agree Scripture points out sexual sin as the one sin against ones body.

But what this has to do with this thread I can only guess.

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 05:54 PM

B (in each one)describes the Sovereign God I serve.

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 06:10 PM

Twosparrows,



Your comment about interpreting Scripture as a Calvinist, needed some clarification.



Now, on that second point, which I mentioned that unclear verses should be interpreted in light of the clear verses, so that we don't make the Bible contradict itself, do you agree............?





In Christ,



James

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 06:53 PM

I'll bite, yes you are correct, unclear verses are interpreted in light of clear verses ....

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 07:17 PM

I am glad to hear that.



There are a lot of Christians who flat out refuse to follow that rule of interpretation.



In light of that, I just started a new thread titled:



"whom did Christ die for?"



It has 8 verses of Scripture in it concerning who Jesus died for.



If you have time, please take a look at it, I would be interested in what you think.





In Christ,



James

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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 08:48 PM

dont understand the question "wich god" there is only 1 true god.

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