When any individual takes the position to boldly declare their doctrine is the way, the most accurate and their doctrine is based upon man and what they call church history,
They have taken a modern position by Satan and exalted themselves above the throne of God.
The church needs to wake up and quit thinking it is a little off, and call it for what it is a lie, And we no who the father of lies is, form now until the lord returns believers need to establish themselves in truth and do what ever is necessary to walk in it.
Once saved, always saved is not in the bible.
A lie does not produce Faith, and this is a topic most of the body of Christ does not understand, and when you do not understand faith it is impossible to know God.
Church it is way past time to awake to the truth, and thirst and hunger after the truth with an appetite that is not easily satisfied.
When you boldly proclaim this scripture is not applicable to all people thru out the world and at all times, you are boldly denying the Lord Jesus.
You are rejecting the truth, the word of God!!
You are rejecting the word of Faith!!
You are rejecting life!!
You are rejecting the light of the word you are to walk in.
You are rejecting the sacrifice that Jesus made.
You are calling God a liar!!
This is not acceptable toe the lord and his church,
Ro 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Mt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
It is past time for all to realize this is not an attack against certain people that proclaim a lie and live a lie, we are to pray for them that they would come to the truth.
We are commanded to light our light so shine and mark those that proclaim another Gospel
It is the truth we know that brings liberty, don't you or your loved ones be caught in this lie.
The lord is good to all who call upon his name, and quick to forgive.
When any individual takes the position to boldly declare their doctrine is the way, the most accurate and their doctrine is based upon man and what they call church history,
James replies:
That makes no sense whatsoever.
We are RESPONSIBLE to know and understand the Bible and have a continuing growing in our understanding of it.
That would mean that one chooses a church based upon several things, and ONE of which is their theology!
If I am a member of the local Methodist church, I AM declaring that their theology is good if not the best that I can find.
And, I really am tired of the "doctrine based on man", and
"traditions of men" etc, routine.
That is a meaningless phrase unless you are talking about what Jesus said to the Pharisees.
What YOU are saying, and I am guessing here, because you are using a phrase that could mean anything, is that each Christian is suppose to rely on their private religious HUNCHES instead of paying attention to two thousand years of our brothers and sisters in Christ.
THAT, is unwise, and the opposite of what Scripture teaches.
In Jude it says, "the Faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints."
PJ said:
They have taken a modern position by Satan and exalted themselves above the throne of God.
James replies:
I can't believe you just said that! YOU advocate for a private interpretation, with doctrines that are CLEARLY modern American Christian beliefs, and you wish to IGNORE all of church history, and you say OTHERS have take an "modern position"?
PJ said:
The church needs to wake up and quit thinking it is a little off, and call it for what it is a lie, And we no who the father of lies is, form now until the lord returns believers need to establish themselves in truth and do what ever is necessary to walk in it.
James replies:
Well, PJ, if you are a member of the local church, please tell us your denomination, and tell us the doctrinal beliefs of your church. That way we can examine it, and see if it is Biblical.
PJ said:
Once saved, always saved is not in the bible.
James replies:
Although I don't like the baptist expression you mentioned above, the FACT is, that God CAUSES His people to persevere to the end. Remember Jesus said that He would not lose even one of the sheep that God gave Him.
PJ said:
A lie does not produce Faith, and this is a topic most of the body of Christ does not understand, and when you do not understand faith it is impossible to know God.
James replies:
NO Christian has a perfect understanding of the Bible.
That does not mean that they can't walk with God.
There are Reformed believers who are not walking with God very closely at all, and their are Arminian Christians who walk with God VERY closely.
PJ continues:
Church it is way past time to awake to the truth, and thirst and hunger after the truth with an appetite that is not easily satisfied.
When you boldly proclaim this scripture is not applicable to all people thru out the world and at all times, you are boldly denying the Lord Jesus.
James replies:
Who said Scripture is not applicable to all people?
In Christ,
James
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You are rejecting the truth, the word of God!!
You are rejecting the word of Faith!!
You are rejecting life!!
You are rejecting the light of the word you are to walk in.
You are rejecting the sacrifice that Jesus made.
You are calling God a liar!!
This is not acceptable toe the lord and his church,
Ro 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Mt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
It is past time for all to realize this is not an attack against certain people that proclaim a lie and live a lie, we are to pray for them that they would come to the truth.
We are commanded to light our light so shine and mark those that proclaim another Gospel
It is the truth we know that brings liberty, don't you or your loved ones be caught in this lie.
The lord is good to all who call upon his name, and quick to forgive.
I have been busy lately and not able to respond to a comment said in another post. my resonse also applies to this post.
In the 1690's the Salem Witch trials.christains were accusing people of being witches and practicing witchcraft.
PJ you told somebody they were practicing witchcraft.They made some calvinist statements. If somebody confesses Jesus Christ as their lord and savior it is not possible for them to practice witchcraft.
Some of those accused at the salem trials said jesus was their lord and Savior.
By not knowing history you have commited the same sin.
You beared false witness against a fellow believe.
After the trials some of the judges repented of their sin.
Only one of the girls repented that falsely accused the people.
If the people you have falsely accused of ptacticing witch craft say that Jesus is their lord you need to repent PJ.
Dennis since you said it openly, and not in context of what I said, i will address it publicly,
You have been guilty of defending reformed theology, have you not?
My statement was made about the lie that God regenerates man and then man will have faith to confess Jesus.
Regeneration proceeds faith would be an example clearly against the word of God and the spirit of God. (Witchcraft)
Anyone that supports this theology will be guilty of its death (sin)
Dennis we are to know people by their fruit, not by what they confess and are not a doer of, such as confessing Jesus as lord, and continually proclaiming the word of God as a lie.
Dennis why did you not address this issue the last time, I clarified it to you. and you are saying I need to repent.
Does not faith work by love?
Does ones faith and love call the word of god a lie.
Five examples of the lie:
Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability and Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Once Saved Always Saved)
The foundation of reformed theology a lie posing as the truth.
Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and o
ffences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Dennis I leave you with this question is it love, to proclaim lies as the truth, is it not said that what so ever is not of faith is sin?
My concern is for those that are made to stumble by the lies, what is yours?
This is the shortest statement I could find on explaining just what Reformed Christians believe.
Now, PhillipJohn and others on this board have been acting like any Christian who is Reformed is somehow a bad person, teaching doctrines of Satan, and all other types of disparaging remarks. Please read the statement below and see for yourself.
In Christ,
James
A Brief and Untechnical Statement of the Reformed Faith
by Benjamin B. Warfield
1. I believe that my one aim in life and death should be to glorify God and enjoy him forever; and that God teaches me how to glorify him in his holy Word, that is, the Bible, which he had given by the infallible inspiration of this Holy Spirit in order that I may certainly know what I am to believe concerning him and what duty he requires of me.
2. I believe that God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal and incomparable in all that he is; one God but three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, my Creator, my Redeemer, and my Sanctifier; in whose power and wisdom, righteousness, goodness and truth I may safely put my trust.
3. I believe that the heavens and the earth, and all that is in them, are the work of God hands; and that all that he has made he directs and governs in all their actions; so that they fulfill the end for which they were created, and I who trust in him shall not be put to shame but may rest securely in the protection of his almighty love.
4. I believe that God created man after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness and holiness, and entered into a covenant of life with him upon the sole condition of the obedience that was his due; so that it was by willfully sinning against God that man fell into the sin and misery in which I have been born.
5. I believe, that, being fallen in Adam, my first father, I am by nature a child of wrath, under the condemnation of God and corrupted in body and soul, prone to evil and liable to eternal death; from which dreadful state I cannot be delivered save through the unmerited grace of God my Savior.
6. I believe that God has not left the world to perish in its sin, but out of the great love wherewith he has loved it, has from all eternity graciously chosen unto himself a multitude which no man can number, to deliver them out of their sin and misery, and of them to build up again in the world his kingdom of righteousness; in which kingdom I may be assured I have my part, if I hold fast to Christ the Lord.
7. I believe that God has redeemed his people unto himself through Jesus Christ our Lord; who, though he was and ever continues to be the eternal Son of God, yet was born of a woman, born under the law, that he might redeem them that are under the law: I believe that he bore the penalty due to my sins in his own body on the tree, and fulfilled in his own person the obedience I owe to the righteousness of God, and now presents me to his Father as his purchased possession, to the praise of the glory of his grace forever; wherefore renouncing all merit of my own, I put all my trust only in the blood and righteousness of Jesus Christ my redeemer.
8. I believe that Jesus Christ my redeemer, who died for my offences was raised again for my justification, and ascended into the heavens, where he sits at the right hand of the Father Almighty, continually making intercession for his people, and governing the whole world as head over all things for his Church; so that I need fear no evil and may surely know that nothing can snatch me out of his hands and nothing can separate me from his love.
9. I believe that the redemption wrought by the Lord Jesus Christ is effectually applied to all his people by the Holy Spirit, who works faith in me and thereby unites me to Christ, renews me in the whole man after the image of God, and enables me more and more to die unto sin and to live unto righteousness; until, this gracious work having been completed in me, I shall be received into glory; in which great hope abiding, I must ever strive to perfect holiness in the fear of God.
10. I believe that God requires of me, under the gospel, first of all, that , out of a true sense of my sin and misery and apprehension of his mercy in Christ, I should turn with grief and hatred away from sin and receive and rest upon Jesus Christ alone for salvation; that, so being united to him, I may receive pardon for my sins and be accepted as righteous in God's sight only for the righteousness of Christ imputed to me and received by faith alone; and thus and thus only do I believe I may be received into the number and have a right to all the privileges of the sons of God.
11. I believe that, having been pardoned and accepted for Christ's sake , it is further required of me that I walk in the Spirit whom he has purchased for me, and by whom love is shed abroad in my heart; fulfilling the obedience I owe to Christ my King; faithfully performing all the duties laid upon me by the holy law of God my heavenly Father; and ever reflecting in my life and conduct, the perfect example that has been set me by Christ Jesus my Leader, who has died for me and granted to me his Holy Spirit just that I may do the good works which God has afore prepared that I should walk in them.
12. I believe that God has established his Church in the world and endowed it with the ministry of the Word and the holy ordinances of Baptism, the Lord's Supper and Prayer; in order that through these as means, the riches of his grace in the gospel may be made known to the world, and, by the blessing of Christ and the working of his Spirit in them that by faith receive them, the benefits of redemption may be communicated to his people; wherefore also it is required of me that I attend on these means of grace with diligence, preparation, and prayer, so that through them I may be instructed and strengthened in faith, and in holiness of life and in love; and that I use my best endeavors to carry this gospel and convey these means of grace to the whole world.
13. I believe that as Jesus Christ has once come in grace, so also is he to come a second time in glory, to judge the world in righteousness and assign to each his eternal award; an I believe that if I die in Christ, my soul shall be at death made perfect in holiness and go home to the Lord; and when he shall return to his majesty I shall be raised in glory and made perfectly blesses in the full enjoyment of God to all eternity: encouraged by which blessed hope it is required of me willingly to take my part in suffering hardship here as a good soldier of Christ Jesus, being assured that if I die with him I shall also live with him, if I endure, I shall also reign with him. And to Him, my Redeemer, with the Father, and the Holy Spirit, Three Persons, one God, be glory forever, world without end, Amen, and Amen.
James I read most of your last post, and those statements that are close to scripture are not far out of line, but they are not in line with what you say and practice.
The bible does not agree with any point of Calvinism.
Remember the word tells us that we know them by their fruits.
