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The light of the world
Posted : 27 Feb, 2011 10:19 AM

J n 1:1 � In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 � And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.



This light is to all men that cometh into the world.



This light says



The man that beleiveth upon me the (word), the (light)

shall reap everlasting life.

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The light of the world
Posted : 27 Feb, 2011 10:54 AM

Oh PJ you stopped two verses short!

(And I am quoting out of the ESV just for James)

John 1:11-12 ~ " He came to his own and his own people Did not receive him. But to all who did recieve him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God....."



James, Um, so like dude, how does the elect and irresistible grace fit in this verse? Seems to me, like God totally offered Grace to the Elect and they Resisted it.

Sorry, for jumping in PJ. However I do agree, Jesus is the Light of the world, not the Light of the elect only. The truth is that Jesus is the Light of the world, it is just that many prefer to walk in darkness.

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2011 11:19 AM

Jesus was the Messiah that the Jews were supposed to be looking forward to and waiting for.



Jesus DID come to them and they rejected Him!



They wanted a conquering Messiah, and Political force that would literally destroy the Romans who were oppressing them.



Jesus instead came as a suffering sacrifice, to pay for the sins of His people, and the Jews did not want that at all.



To God, the issue is always sin that separates man from God.



And if God would not have regenerated the elect they too would reject Him!



Salvation is ALL of GRACE and MERCY.





In Christ,



James

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2011 11:59 AM

I HATE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE, sir james! The only people who pat you on the back and say , Good boy--- way to go james are those who are deceived or confused. Or false doctrine teachers such as yourself. Your doctrine is a dangerous one. ____________________________ I'll keep witnessing and Praising God when a new soul is born again! Whosoever Will May Come! _____________ Great post, P.J. Living Words will set us free.

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2011 12:19 PM

James,

Yes, you are correct, but miss the point. The Jews are often referred to as the "elect" and the majority of them resisted the ultimate manifestation of Gods Grace. This reality flies in the face of your principles defined by the doctrines of grace, specifically the elect and irresistible grace.

It was God desire that all of Israel would freely come to repentance. So did God fail? Of course not! God desires all to come who want to come, and those who don't want to don't have to, but that doesn't mean He doesn't wish all would want to come. So God uses those Jews who don't want to come to offer the Gospel to the world. That is what Romans chapter 9 is all about.



To be honest, I would have to accept Annihilationism to even get close to believeing in double predestination. It is only then that such a doctrine would aligin itself with the revealed Nature of God in Scripture.

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2011 12:20 PM

Amen the bottom line is the Calvinist has no Gospel.



The holy spirit does not stand over a lie to perform it.



The father makes no man or woman's choice for them.



Whosever hears and believes and confesses, is born again after this process.

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