Author	Thread: Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM!
Admin	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 10:53 AM Contrary to popular belief by Calvinists who believe tha Jesus only prayed for the elect, the called, and the chosen. Here is the prayer that Jesus firstly, prayed to God the Father for Himself, then, being in the presence of the disciples, He prayed for God to keep them and watch over them, AND THEN, Jesus prayed for believers and for those who WILL come to belive in Him. JOHN CHAPTER 17: VERSES 20-26, Jesus' prayer for believers and non-believers to come to know Him. " I DO NOT PRAY JUST FOR THESE ALONE (speaking about the disciples who were with Him during this prayer), BUT, I pray ALSO FOR THOSE WHO WILL BELIEVE IN ME through Your Word, that THEY ALL MAY BE ONE, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that THEY (those who come to believe in Jesus) also may be one in US, so that the WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE SENT ME, and the glory that You gave Me, I have given them, SO that they may be one, even as WE (speaking about Jesus and God) are one. I in them, and You in Me, SO that they may be made perfect in one, and that the WORLD may know that You have sent Me, and have LOVED THEM (THOSE WHO COME TO BELIEVE), as You have loved Me. Father, I WILL that THEY also, whom You have given me (ALL WHO COME TO KNOW AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, WHO ARE BELIEVERS), be with Me where I am going, SO that THEY may behold (look upon) My glory, that You have given Me, because You loved Me BEFORE the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world has not known You, but I have known You, and THESE (speak again about the THOSE WHO COME TO BELIEVE) have known that You have sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name (through the word), and will declare it, that the love wherewith(same manner) You have loved Me, MAY BE IN THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND I IN THEM. There is no way a God fearing person can say that this prayer that Jesus prayed is only for those God has elected... God elects (desires) that people ALL OVER THE WORLD come to know His Son whom He sent to die a suffering shameful death on the cross for our sins. If this prayer is ONLY for the one God has elected, why pray for those who are already SUPPOSE to be elected (saved).. This makes God a God who shows favoritism and a liar, and He is NOT a man that He should lie, NOR is He into games wherein He already has a people and only they can be saved...so what was the purpose fo the cross? God has no respect of person when it comes to salvation. Where is the hope of salvation and eternal life for the lost, if they are already doomed for hell, and have no chance to repent of their sins and be saved? ... that's a lying spirit of the devil to say otherwise... God desire is that people everywhere might believe and come into fellowship with Him as joint heirs to the kingdom with Jesus Christ. Some will come, and some will not, that a free choice to chose this day whom you will serve. God or the devil! Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 11:29 AM :applause:...PRAISE & GLORY to the Most High GOD...Now thats a WORD worth receivin...:yay:...AMEN ! AMEN !! AMEN !!!...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 11:30 AM Ella, I would have to say I totally agree with this post!! Key word believe. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 07:24 PM ET, You quoted a portion of Scripture and then ADDED your own interpretation that does not make sense with the Rest of Scripture on this subject: Father, I WILL that THEY also, whom You have given me (ALL WHO COME TO KNOW AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, WHO ARE BELIEVERS), You are saying that "they" in this verse is all people who will eventually repent and trust in Jesus, but Jesus says, "Whom you have given me." Jesus made it clear that there was a specific group of People that God had given Him: Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. ET, that sounds like a particular GROUP, and it also sounds like every SINGLE person that God has given Jesus WILL come to Him. I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me�just as the Father knows me and I know the Father�and I lay down my life for the sheep (John 10:14-15). If Jesus died for everyone who ever lived, then why did He say that he died for a particular group??? Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Noticed, the ONLY people who believed were the ones who were "Ordained to eternal life."! If you just keep reading the Bible on your own, you will find: Ordained, Chosen, Destined, predestined, Etc. OVER AND OVER. God is the one who saves, and HE decided whom He would save, and the Bible says this over and over. The following is ONE sentence in Greek: Rom 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. See that? Jesus will save his people from their sins (Matt. 1:21) � not everyone. Christ gave himself �for us,� i.e., for us the people of the new covenant (Titus. 2:14), �to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.� Moreover, in his death Christ did not merely make adequate provision for the elect, but he actually achieved the desired result (Rom. 5:6-10; Eph. 2:15-16). The Son of Man came to give his life a ransom �for many� (Matt. 20:28; Mark 10:45; cf. Isa. 53:10-12). Christ �loved the church and gave himself up for her� (Eph. 5:25). ET, Jesus commanded the crowds to believe in Him, and we are tell every creature to repent and trust in Jesus, but according to Scripture, ONLY those that God has made alive by His spirit will accept Jesus. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 08:33 PM Listen toyou charging that I quoted portion of a scripture, and then turn and interpret it my own way. Good try James, I think if I went through all of your post for the past two weeks I will find PORTION and misquoted and PLWWWWEASe don't even speak about bad interpretation of scriptures thoughout your post. I understand the word very clearly, and I have never had any problems gathering God's wisdom and knowlegde from His word as a Bible teacher. You have been brained washed to twist the word to make it say what YOu think it says. And this also has proven to have been Calvins problem, he INTERPRETED God's word in his own undersatnding, and from waht Agustine had written, but Calvin really didn't spiritually understand much about the word was saying. He had too much sin in his life, and most likely did not repent of his sins as he should have becasue he thought that he was an elect and didn't have to repent. Remeber Jesus' firt sermon that he preached was. REPNET FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. If YOU would read John chapter 17, starting at verse ONE allll the way to the end of the chapter you will come to understand Jesus' prayer, for Himself, for His disciples, and for as Jesus says in His prayer for THEM (THOSE) ALSO WHICH SHALL (WILL) BELIEVE ON ME THROUGH THEIR WORD... READ VERSES 20-26... Then you tell me where is it that I have interpreted wrongly? YOU are reading wrongly and wanting God's word to say what it is YOU would like for it to say, God's word is revealed, not interpreted, and that's what you are doing interpreting, and that's what Calvin did and every body else4 are doing in trying to come into a knowledge of God's word. If the things of God are SPIRITUALLY is DISCERNED, that also includes His word, as so the scriptures tells us, even Paul speak about God revealing the word of God to him. How can you interpret the Holy Spirit for the things of God, they are spiritually discerned THROUGH the Holy Spirit. And I have DISCRENED that the Holy Spirit ain't in nothing you are saying that YOU say the word is saying. I can only pray that God will open your understanding of the truth of His word, so that you may come into the knowledge of Jesus Christ and the character of God in your heart. From where I sit, you only have a whole bunch of scriptures that try to support your Calvin doctrines and teaching. Funny, I never saw any place where in Paul believed in no other person but Jesus Christ.:boxing: Now, again, you STILL have not answersed my QUESTIONS! So get busy:excited::bouncy: BTW. where is Man of God?... Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 08:41 PM James, Oh, I forgot... I have been thinking to tell you for a long time and keep forgetting. When you type a paragraph, all you do is hit the enter to start the next paragraph, NOT SPACE, but after you have completed your paragraph, just hit enter ONE TIME to start a new paragraph, because this board automatically spaces. That is the reason you have had such wide spaces between your posts, you are hitting space too many times, only ht one to start a new paragraph. Also, when you copy and paste, to prevent the wide spacing, just move all the paragraphs, no spacing under each other and the board will automatically space the paragraphs. I had to learn that... I will send you a bill for this info:bow::bouncy: Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 16 Feb, 2011 08:50 PM James, now if you had said i am a bad typist, and can't type, I would agree with you:excited:... but to say I misinterpret God's word, I must totally disagree with you, and I will defend the word according to what God has said thorugh Paul to the death.:rocknroll::nahnah::boxing::boxing: Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 20 Feb, 2011 01:07 PM John 17:9-10 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. (10) "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Post Reply
View Profile History	Jesus Prayed for ALL SINNERS TO COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM! Posted : 22 Feb, 2011 01:31 PM " Them*...includes you to James...Luv ya...xo Post Reply