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Posted : 14 Feb, 2011 04:00 PM

Martin Luther VS John Calvin...:boxing:...

Although Martin Luther and John Calvin did share some of the same beliefs, they had many factors that boldly differentiated them. The main difference in the teachings of Martin Luther and John Calvin was their outlooks on salvation. Martin Luther believed in salvation through good works, while John Calvin strongly believed in predestination. Martin Luther and John Calvin�s teachings were also different due to the fact that Martin Luther believed in the separation of the church and state, while John Calvin did not. Despite their differences, they did share the belief that the Catholic Church was at fault and committed obscenities that were unholy, and that should be reformed. Martin Luther believed that one can retrieve salvation through faith and good acts. He basically believed that what you did throughout your life on Earth would determine whether or not you would receive salvation. If you had faith in God, prayed, read the bible, and did good deeds; you would then receive salvation. Therefore, Martin Luther believed that people could make the decision of how

On the other hand, John Calvin believed in the union of the state and church. In Calvinism, ministers not only would rule the church, but they would also obtain the authority to rule the city. The people who were elect simply did not do things that would condemn them, since God had already predetermined that they would be elect and receive his salvation. On the contrary, John Calvin strongly believed in predestination. Martin Luther also rejected the authority of Bishops, and replaced bishops with a set of people that were devoted to God, known as presbyteries. For example, the Catholic church permitted the sale of indulgences, which was money that was paid to the church in order to reduce a sinner"tms time in purgatory. John Calvin"tms teachings were far more strict than those of Martin Luther. Luther and Calvin also differentiated because Luther believed in the separation of the state and church, while Calvin believed in the union of the two. Through this, we can infer that Martin Luther was suggesting individualism in this belief because he is saying that men have a say in whether or not they will receive salvation. This belief in predestination lead to another one of John Calvin"tms beliefs, which was that men existed either as an elect or a reprobate. they would live their lives, and then depending upon that, God would judge them. While Martin Luther believed in the justification of salvation through faith, John Calvin adopted the belief in predestination. The teachings of Martin Luther and John Calvin did differ, due to the fact of their different beliefs. Predestination was the belief that God had a plan for each and every person at the time of creation.



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Posted : 14 Feb, 2011 05:40 PM

Martin Luther VS John Calvin......



Although Martin Luther and John Calvin did share some of the same beliefs, they had many factors that boldly differentiated them. The main difference in the teachings of Martin Luther and John Calvin was their outlooks on salvation. Martin Luther believed in salvation through good works, while John Calvin strongly believed in predestination.



James replies:



Rubbish! I suppose I have go and retrieve quotes now.

Luther wrote a book called "The bondage of the will", and it was an entire book on what we now call total depravity!

Luther said it was the most important thing he ever did!!











Martin Luther and John Calvin�s teachings were also different due to the fact that Martin Luther believed in the separation of the church and state, while John Calvin did not. Despite their differences, they did share the belief that the Catholic Church was at fault and committed obscenities that were unholy, and that should be reformed. Martin Luther believed that one can retrieve salvation through faith and good acts. He basically believed that what you did throughout your life on Earth would determine whether or not you would receive salvation. If you had faith in God, prayed, read the bible, and did good deeds; you would then receive salvation. Therefore, Martin Luther believed that people could make the decision of how





James replies:



There are so many lies in this I am surprised they spelled Luther's name right!!



Good grief, READ some works by Luther!!













On the other hand, John Calvin believed in the union of the state and church. In Calvinism, ministers not only would rule the church, but they would also obtain the authority to rule the city. The people who were elect simply did not do things that would condemn them, since God had already predetermined that they would be elect and receive his salvation. On the contrary, John Calvin strongly believed in predestination. Martin Luther also rejected the authority of Bishops, and replaced bishops with a set of people that were devoted to God, known as presbyteries. For example, the Catholic church permitted the sale of indulgences, which was money that was paid to the church in order to reduce a sinner"tms time in purgatory. John Calvin"tms teachings were far more strict than those of Martin Luther. Luther and Calvin also differentiated because Luther believed in the separation of the state and church, while Calvin believed in the union of the two. Through this, we can infer that Martin Luther was suggesting individualism in this belief because he is saying that men have a say in whether or not they will receive salvation. This belief in predestination lead to another one of John Calvin"tms beliefs, which was that men existed either as an elect or a reprobate. they would live their lives, and then depending upon that, God would judge them. While Martin Luther believed in the justification of salvation through faith, John Calvin adopted the belief in predestination. The teachings of Martin Luther and John Calvin did differ, due to the fact of their different beliefs. Predestination was the belief that God had a plan for each and every person at the time of creation.







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If this was a high school term paper, I would give the student and "F"!



RUBBISH!

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Posted : 14 Feb, 2011 06:18 PM

After reading the line in the article: "Luther taught salvation by good works", My head almost exploded.



The CENTER of the Christian faith is justification by FAITH ALONE.

Luther taught this, and it is the main difference between Rome, and what the Bible teaches!!



So, here are some quotes by Luther to prove the author of that ridiculous article is a liar.





Selected from the writings of Martin Luther *



"This doctrine [justification by faith] is the head and the cornerstone. It alone begets, nourishes, builds, preserves, and defends the church of God; and without it the church of God cannot exist for one hour�. For no one who does not hold this article � or, to use Paul's expression, this 'sound doctrine' (Titus 2:1) � is able to teach aright in the church or successfully to resist any adversary . . . this is the heel of the Seed that opposes the old serpent and crushes its head. That is why Satan, in turn, cannot but persecute it."



"Whoever departs from the article of justification does not know God and is an idolater . . . For when this article has been taken away, nothing remains but error, hypocrisy, godlessness, and idolatry, although it may seem to be the height of truth, worship of God, holiness, etc."



"If the article of justification is lost, all Christian doctrine is lost at the same time. And all the people in the world who do not hold to this justification are either Jews or Turks or papists or heretics; for there is no middle ground between these two righteousness: the active one of the Law and the passive one which comes from Christ. Therefore the man who strays from Christian righteousness must relapse into the active one, that is, since he has lost Christ, he must put his confidence in his own works."



"When the article of justification has fallen, everything has fallen. Therefore it is necessary constantly to inculcate and impress it, as Moses says of his Law (Deut. 6:7); for it cannot be inculcated and urged enough or too much. Indeed, even though we learn it well and hold to it, yet there is no one who apprehends it perfectly or believes it with a full affection and heart. So very trickish is our flesh, fighting as it does against the obedience of the spirit."



"The article of justification and of grace is the most delightful, and it alone makes a person a theologian and makes of a theologian a judge of the earth and of all affairs. Few there are, however, who have thought it through well and who teach it aright."



"Of this article [justification] nothing may be yielded or conceded, though heaven and earth and whatever will not abide, fall to ruin; for 'there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved,' says St. Peter (Acts 4:12); 'and with His stripes we are healed' (Is. 53:5). And on this article all that we teach and practice is based, against the pope, the devil, and the world. That is why we must be very certain of this doctrine and not doubt; otherwise all is lost, and the pope and the devil and all things gain the victory over us and are adjudged right."



"The article of justification must be learned diligently. It alone can support us in the face of these countless offenses and can console us in all temptations and persecutions. For we see that it cannot be otherwise: the world is bound to be offended at the doctrine of godliness and to cry out constantly that nothing good comes of it, since 'the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him.' "



"In short, if this article concerning Christ � the doctrine that we are justified and saved through Him alone and consider all apart from Him damned � is not professed, all resistance and restraint are at an end. Then there is, in fact, neither measure nor limit to any heresy and error."



"There is this about the article of grace that if one diligently and sincerely remains loyal to it, it keeps one from falling into heresy and from undertaking anything against Christ or His Christendom. For with it comes the Holy Spirit, who enlightens the heart by it and keeps it in the true, certain understanding, so that it is able precisely and plainly to distinguish and judge all the other articles of faith and forcefully to sustain and defend them."



"The papacy is shaken and shattered nowadays, not through these tumults of the sectaries but through the preaching of the article of justification, which has not only weakened the kingdom of Antichrist but has also till now sustained and defended us against its power."



* Selected from What Luther Says, an anthology compiled by Edwald M. Plass, Vol.2, pp.702-704, 715-718.

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Posted : 15 Feb, 2011 08:30 AM

You still dont GET it James !!!...Do You Follow Luther or do You Follow JESUS ???...xo

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Posted : 15 Feb, 2011 12:38 PM

... Do You Follow Calvin or do You Follow JESUS ???...xo

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