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Admin	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 10:02 AM Jesus said those that believeth on him would receive eternal life. Man says he that is elected shall have eternal life! Post Reply
MargoSolo View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 10:09 AM PJ it is the same thing. Post Reply
View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 10:47 AM Margo I am speaking of those that proclaim another Gospel, in saying they believe because they are the elect. But one must believe upon him to accept his election. That is night and day, or light and darkness! Post Reply
MargoSolo View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 10:51 AM And I am saying it is the same thing. If you believe, you are elect. If you are elect, you believe. Post Reply
View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 11:52 AM I knew what you where saying from the get go, and that is not scriptual. Post Reply
flyby View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 12:19 PM Can we get some Bible with that in short contextual statements? Post Reply
View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 12:54 PM Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Mt13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Mk 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? 14 The sower soweth the word. 15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; 17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word�s sake, immediately they are offended. 18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, 19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. 20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. Jesus said this is how the kingdom of God operates, this is the law of sowing and reaping, that will always work when anyone or whosoever acts upon it, thus the law of faith in action producing a new creature in Christ Jesus. Post Reply
flyby View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 01:56 PM PJ, I love the parable but what I was asking for Biblical reference to was this. You said �But one must believe upon him to accept his election.� Im pretty sure Im with ya here but in order to use this (elect so saved or saved so elect) one would need Biblical reference to it, Im not so sure that the sower parable explains it to well to use it for that. And Margo, can you give reference to consider (elect so saved and saved so elect) is the same thing? Post Reply
MargoSolo View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 02:07 PM Sure Flyby - "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who come to Me I will be no means cast out." - John 6:37 Grace and Peace Margo Post Reply
View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 02:49 PM Flyby if you believe on the lord Jesus are you saved because you believe, or are saved because you are the elect, and you then believe? Post Reply
flyby View Profile History	Houston we have a failure to communicate: Posted : 13 Feb, 2011 05:08 PM PJ, I understand the concept (saved so elect) and I like it and would like to nail it down with solid verse that�s milk for understanding. Margo I think you could also use this for �it�s the same thing� (Rom 3:23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; where in that verse there is no difference between the elect and the non elect. Thanks both ya Post Reply

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